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"Qualia" is effectively a name for all those properties which constitute your experience of the world, but which do not exist in the current ontology of natural science (thus we have the spectacle of people on this site needing to talk about "how it feels" to be a brain or a computer program, an additional property instinctively tacked on to the physical description precisely to make up for this lack).
This is a problem that has been building in scientific culture for centuries, ever since a distinction between primary and secondary properties was introduced. Mathematical physics raised the description and analysis of the "primary" properties - space, quantity, causality - to a high art, while the "secondary" properties - all of sensation, to begin with, apart from the bare geometric form of things - were put to one side. And there have always been a few people so enraptured by the power of physics and related disciplines that they were prepared to simply deny the existence of the ontological remainder (just as there have been "irrationalists" who were really engaged in affirming the reality of what was being denied).
We are now at the stage of figuring out rather detailed correlations between parts and states of the brain, described in material terms, and aspects of conscious experience, as experienced and reported "subjectively" or "in the first person". But a correlation is not yet an identity (and the verifiable correlations are still mostly of the form "X has something to do with Y"). Mostly people are being property dualists without realizing it: they believe their experiences are real, they believe those experiences are identical with brain states, but out of sheer habit they haven't noticed that the two sides of the identity are actually quite different ontologically.
Dennett belongs to that minority of materialists, more logically consistent but also more in denial of reality, who really are trying to deny the existence of the secondary properties, now known as qualia. It's possible to read him otherwise, because he does talk about his own experience; but if you look at his checklist of properties to deny, you can see he's a sort of neo-behaviorist, focused on verbal behavior. Indeed, the only thing neo about his behaviorism is that he has a physical model of how this behavior is caused (connectionist neural networks). But he is careful to say quite explicitly that there is no "Cartesian theater", no phenomenal color, no inner life, just people talking about these things.
I cannot tell if you are truly in Dennett's camp, or if you're just rejecting the view that there's something especially problematic about explaining sensations. A lot of people who talk about qualia are trying to emphasize that a description of human beings in terms of causal interactions between pieces of matter is leaving something out. But the things being left out are not in any way elusive or ineffable.
Science seems to be telling us that your whole life, everything you have ever experienced, is nothing but changes of state occurring in a few trillion neurons which have been sitting inside the same small dark space (your skull) for a few decades. Now if that's the case, I may not be able to write an equation describing the dynamics, but I do know what that is physically. It's a large number of electrons and quarks suspended in space by electromagnetic fields. If we are to unconditionally accept this as a description of what our lives and experiences really are, then we have to be able to identify everything - everything - we have ever thought, known, or done, the whole of our subjective realities, as a process composed of nothing but changes of states of particles all occurring within a few cubic centimeters of space. And I have no hesitation at all in saying that this is impossible, at least if the basic ingredients, those particles and fields, are understood as we currently conceive them to be.
Quite apart from the peculiar difficulty involved in identifying complex subjective states like "going diving in the Caribbean on your 25th birthday" with the electrical state of a captive neuronal porridge, the basic raw ingredients of subjective experience, like color qualia, simply aren't there in an arrangement of pointlike objects in space. This is why materialists who aren't eliminativists like Dennett are instead dualists, whether they realize it or not - because they simultaneously assert the existence of both the world of atoms in space and the world of subjective experience. These two worlds may be correlated, that is being demonstrated every day by neuroscience, but they simply cannot be identified under the physical ontology we have.
In my opinion the future lies with a new monism. But "physics" will have to be reconceptualized, if that world of subjective experience really is going to be found somewhere inside the skull, because as things stand there is nothing like it in there. I would also say that doing this is going to require a leap as big as anything in human intellectual and cultural history. It won't just be a matter of identifying the "neural correlate of consciousness". Someone is going to have to go right back to the epistemic beginning, before the distinction between primary and secondary properties, and rethink the whole of natural science from Galileo through to molecular neuroscience, while keeping the secondary properties in view. You can always reduce science to subjectivity, if you're prepared to let go of your models and remember that everything that has ever happened to you has occurred within your own subjective experience, so that's the easy part. What we're aiming for is far more difficult, namely, an objective world-picture which really does contain subjective experience and is true to its nature while also encompassing everything else. Of course, all those people who are out there trying to "naturalize subjective experience" or "naturalize phenomenology" are trying to do this, but without exception they presuppose the current "naturalistic" ontology, and yet somehow that is where the change and the progress has to occur.
I think you need to be taken outside and shot...
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...j/k.
It's just that over recent years I've spent quite a long time arguing with people educated principally in philosophy, who hate Dennett and think his version of materialism is absurd (or at least that it's manifestly wrong), and think it's absolutely essential to go around saying things like 'all we know about are correlations between body and mind'.
It's sort-of interesting/refreshing for me to arrive here, with a bunch of people who are (I assume) educated principally in computer science (with perhaps a few mathies and physicists), who are almost unanimously Dennett fans, think that functionalism is just blindingly obvious, that 'zombies' are blindingly obviously impossible, that it's blindingly obvious that the 'Systems Reply' is correct, that anything we build capable of passing the (full) Turing Test would have to be conscious etc.
The ones who don't 'get it' - that at the core of Dennett's view there's the difficult-to-swallow idea that there isn't a 'fact of the matter' as to whether a being is conscious and if so what it's conscious of - can at least fall back on a Greg Egan-style view of consciousness which is identical insofar as it agrees that the issues above are 'blindingly obvious'. (That's the other thing: the people here have actually read Greg Egan - woohoo.)
I can see you have a more in common with the philosopher-types than the locals. And actually, in your interpretation of Dennett I think there's a mistake - one I've seen elsewhere:
You think that in abolishing the 'Cartesian theater' he is ipso facto abolishing phenomenal awareness, but this simply doesn't follow. What he's abolishing is the idea that all of the 'bits' of a person's awareness are present 'together' in a single sharply-defined 'moment', such that there are well-defined answers to questions like "am I seeing a moving dot or a static one?" which would resolve the "Orwellian/Stalinesque" dilemma.
Even after the Cartesian theater is abolished, you can still be a dualist as long as you're prepared to give ground on things like 'the unity of consciousness', and admit that the various parts of the mindscape are slightly removed from each other - not as far removed as the mind of a different person altogether, or even as far as the two hemiminds of a split-brain patient, but certainly not bundled together in a brilliant 'point' of 'inner light'.
I'd just come back as a zombie.
That sums it up well. Next up, let's consider other startling possibilities, such as: there isn't a fact of the matter as to whether you're reading this sentence, there isn't a fact of the matter as to whether this planet exists, there isn't a fact of the matter as to whether there is a fact of the matter as to whether a being is conscious...
Yeah but come on... you always-a-fact-of-the-matter-ists have some startling things to think about too, like The Exact Moment When You First Became Conscious, and the Infinitely Precise Line one can draw across the phylogenetic tree demarcating species whose members are (or may be) conscious and those which never are.
(Afterthought: Or are you some kind of panpsychist? Then your startling possibilities incude the minds of rocks...)
See, it's not so hard! You just have to take the idea seriously, and stick with it. You might even have a talent for this. And here I was thinking that my labor here was in vain.
I believe Eliezer doesn't agree with that last one, and has talked about building an AI who isn't conscious.
Also, consider the following hypothetical: I get really drunk and/or take Ambien and black out at 2 am. I have no conscious experience or memory of the time between 2 am and 3 am, but during that time you have a (loud and drunken) conversation with me. Or maybe in my drunken state I sit at my computer and manage to instant message without being conscious of it, and the person at the other end is convinced I'm human and not a computer program. Counterexample?
Well, I think we can all agree that it's possible for a non-conscious person (or program or whatever) to be mistaken for a conscious being.
However, there are several objections I can make to this scenario being considered a counterexample:
(1) How do you know you're not conscious? Just because you don't remember it the next day doesn't mean you don't have any awareness at the time.
(2) In the Turing test the judge is supposed to be 'on the look-out' for which of its two subjects seems less able to respond adequately to their questions. And one of the subjects is presumed to be a healthy, sober human. So unless you think the judge would be unable to distinguish a drunken, unconscious conversation from a normal, sober one, you would presumably fail the Turing test.