Mitchell_Porter comments on It's not like anything to be a bat - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Mitchell_Porter 16 May 2010 09:41:39AM 2 points [-]

I think you need to be taken outside and shot...

I'd just come back as a zombie.

the difficult-to-swallow idea that there isn't a 'fact of the matter' as to whether a being is conscious and if so what it's conscious of

That sums it up well. Next up, let's consider other startling possibilities, such as: there isn't a fact of the matter as to whether you're reading this sentence, there isn't a fact of the matter as to whether this planet exists, there isn't a fact of the matter as to whether there is a fact of the matter as to whether a being is conscious...

Comment author: AlephNeil 16 May 2010 10:38:14AM *  4 points [-]

Yeah but come on... you always-a-fact-of-the-matter-ists have some startling things to think about too, like The Exact Moment When You First Became Conscious, and the Infinitely Precise Line one can draw across the phylogenetic tree demarcating species whose members are (or may be) conscious and those which never are.

(Afterthought: Or are you some kind of panpsychist? Then your startling possibilities incude the minds of rocks...)

Comment author: Mitchell_Porter 16 May 2010 11:10:12AM 0 points [-]

you always-a-fact-of-the-matter-ists have some startling things to think about too, like The Exact Moment When You First Became Conscious, and the Infinitely Precise Line one can draw across the phylogenetic tree demarcating species whose members are (or may be) conscious and those which never are

See, it's not so hard! You just have to take the idea seriously, and stick with it. You might even have a talent for this. And here I was thinking that my labor here was in vain.