SilasBarta comments on Mental Models - Less Wrong

11 Post author: hegemonicon 28 March 2010 03:55PM

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Comment author: wedrifid 28 March 2010 10:26:59PM *  0 points [-]

(Agree with what you are saying and add my take on it.)

I would say that the concept is explored, but this nomenclature isn't established as a dominant standard (nor expressed powerfully in this post). Part of the problem is that the post is written submissively and by an author without established status. We don't feel obligated to engage with him inside his way of carving reality, even though it isn't particularly controversial in describing how things work.

We already have the word map of 'map is not the territory' fame. The way (specific to human) 'Mental Models' would differ from and perhaps constitute maps of the territory is something that would need to be explored. But as you say we just don't seem to have the motivation to do so. The author acknowledges this in the first paragraph. In fact, that very paragraph more or less primes us to be unmotivated to explore while the final paragraph unintentionally gives us an excuse not to do so!

Comment author: SilasBarta 29 March 2010 11:00:03PM 0 points [-]

Hm, at risk of getting facial egg, how would you say it compares to my recent hierarchy of understanding, which got to +40, and gives a useful organization of epistemic states long discussed on this site?

Comment author: wedrifid 30 March 2010 02:34:00AM 0 points [-]

Slightly different topic but your hierarchy of understanding is clear, easy to read and well integrated with cultural knowledge. (Also +41 now that I've read it.)

Comment author: SilasBarta 30 March 2010 04:07:47AM 0 points [-]

Thanks! But I meant, how does it compare in terms of worthiness to be included in the wiki in some capacity?

Comment author: wedrifid 30 March 2010 04:28:40AM 0 points [-]

Well, I'd say clear, easy to read and well integrated with cultural knowledge makes good criteria for wiki inclusion. Do you think it is the kind of thing that would be useful to link to? That's more or less what I use the wiki for. And I can imagine myself linking to your hierarchy at times.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 30 March 2010 07:04:10AM 0 points [-]

(It was already added to the page Understanding.)

Comment author: hegemonicon 29 March 2010 11:35:41PM *  0 points [-]

Large parts of it are isomorphic - At least 3 of the levels seem to closely correspond with chain-, spoke-, and network-type mental models, which I (perhaps regrettably) didn't go into here.