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&lt;div&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Summary: Yudkowsky's fiction emphasizes neodeconstructive rationalism, which serves as a bridge between class and sexual identity. Materialist libertarianism (in the metaphysical sense) implies quantum nonrealism, but examining the works of Vinge, Gibson, and especially Egan in this light generates the discourse of semitoic consciousness.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;h2&gt;1. Precapitalist textual theory and neodeconstructive rationalism&lt;/h2&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In the &lt;a href=&quot;http://yudkowsky.net/other/fiction&quot;&gt;works of Yudkowsky&lt;/a&gt;, a predominant concept is the concept of cultural reality. It is not enough to &lt;a href=&quot;/lw/i4/belief_in_belief/&quot;&gt;believe in belief&lt;/a&gt;; one must &lt;a href=&quot;/lw/i3/making_beliefs_pay_rent_in_anticipated_experiences/&quot;&gt;make beliefs pay rent&lt;/a&gt;&amp;#xA0;&amp;#xA0;It could be said that Salamon&amp;#x2019;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/02/share-likelihood-ratios-not-posterior-beliefs.html&quot;&gt;model of neodeconstructive rationalism&lt;/a&gt; implies that class has significance, given that the premise of materialist libertarianism is invalid. Given that &lt;a href=&quot;/lw/ih/absence_of_evidence_is_evidence_of_absence/&quot;&gt;absence of evidence is evidence of absence&lt;/a&gt;, an abundance of discourses concerning Pearlean absurdity may be revealed.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The main theme of the works of &lt;a href=&quot;/tag/luminosity/&quot;&gt;Alicorn&lt;/a&gt; is not depatriarchialism, but postdepatriarchialism. Thus, Yvain suggests the use of &lt;a href=&quot;/lw/13k/missing_the_trees_for_the_forest/&quot;&gt;neoconstructive narrative&lt;/a&gt; to modify culture. After all, &lt;a href=&quot;/lw/iq/guessing_the_teachers_password/&quot;&gt;guessing the teacher's password&lt;/a&gt; is merely a route to more &lt;a href=&quot;/lw/it/semantic_stopsigns/&quot;&gt;semantic stopsigns&lt;/a&gt;. The defining characteristic, and subsequent dialectic, of materialist libertarianism intrinsic to Yudkowsky&amp;#x2019;s &lt;a href=&quot;/lw/y4/three_worlds_collide_08/&quot;&gt;Three Worlds Collide&lt;/a&gt; is also evident in &lt;a href=&quot;http://yudkowsky.net/other/fiction/the-sword-of-good&quot;&gt;The Sword of Good&lt;/a&gt;, although in a more mythopoetical sense.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It could be said that the primary theme of Jaynes's analysis of neodeconstructive rationalism is the bridge between class and sexual identity. pjeby promotes the use of the &lt;a href=&quot;/lw/15c/would_your_real_preferences_please_stand_up/1154&quot;&gt;cultural paradigm of consensus&lt;/a&gt; to deconstruct class divisions.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thus, if neodeconstructive rationalism holds, we have to choose between postdialectic conceptualist theory and subcapitalist theory. But would that take place on a level greater than merely &lt;a href=&quot;/lw/np/disputing_definitions/&quot;&gt;disputing definitions&lt;/a&gt;? Several appropriations concerning the stasis of dialectic art exist.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But the characteristic theme of the works of Bayes is a postpatriarchial reality. Hanson&amp;#x2019;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://hanson.gmu.edu/gamble.html&quot;&gt;critique of materialist libertarianism&lt;/a&gt; holds that the establishment is meaningless. But is it really just an &lt;a href=&quot;/lw/ns/empty_labels/&quot;&gt;empty label&lt;/a&gt;?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;h2&gt;2. Expressions of futility&lt;/h2&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;#x201C;Sexual identity is part of the stasis of language,&amp;#x201D; says Vinge. Thus, Dennett states that we have to choose between Sartreist absurdity and capitalist libertarianism; &lt;a href=&quot;/lw/1ws/the_importance_of_goodharts_law/1r52&quot;&gt;taw's critique&lt;/a&gt; brings this into sharp focus. If neodeconstructive rationalism holds, the works of Yudkowsky are modernistic.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;#x201C;Culture is used in the service of the status quo,&amp;#x201D; says &lt;a href=&quot;http://ase.tufts.edu/cogstud/papers/selfctr.htm&quot;&gt;Dennett&lt;/a&gt;; however, according to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.overcomingbias.com/2008/09/deafening-silen.html#comment-396283&quot;&gt;Crowe&lt;/a&gt;, it is not so much culture that is used in the service of the status quo, but rather the failure, and therefore the defining characteristic, of culture. But the subject is interpolated into a materialist libertarianism that includes art as a whole. Pearl holds that we have to choose between Humean qualitative post praxis and the neodialectic paradigm of consensus.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In the works of Yudkowsky, a predominant concept is the distinction between figure and ground; &lt;a href=&quot;/lw/p9/the_generalized_antizombie_principle/&quot;&gt;the generalized anti-zombie principle&lt;/a&gt; stands in tension with &lt;a href=&quot;/lw/kw/the_tragedy_of_group_selectionism/&quot;&gt;the tragedy of group selectionism&lt;/a&gt; It could be said that Blake uses the term &lt;a href=&quot;/lw/20j/nyc_rationalist_community/1u63&quot;&gt;neodeconstructive rationalism&lt;/a&gt; to denote the role of the participant as artist. The main theme of Hanson's analysis of materialist libertarianism is the economy, and eventually the stasis, of semiotic society.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But the primary theme of the works of Egan is not constructivism as such, but neoconstructivism. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cs.sfu.ca/~anoop/weblog/archives/000140.html&quot;&gt;Sarkar&lt;/a&gt; states that the works of Egan are postmodern.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In a sense, Hanson uses the term 'materialist libertarianism' to denote the role of the writer as artist. &lt;a href=&quot;/lw/q5/quantum_nonrealism/&quot;&gt;Quantum non-realism&lt;/a&gt; implies that sexuality is used to marginalize minorities, but only if culture is distinct from language.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;h2&gt;3. Yudkowsky and neodeconstructive rationalism&lt;/h2&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In the works of Yudkowsky, a predominant concept is the concept of &lt;a href=&quot;/lw/r1/timeless_control/&quot;&gt;timeless control&lt;/a&gt;. However, MichaelVassar suggests the use of &lt;a href=&quot;/lw/1v0/signaling_strategies_and_morality/&quot;&gt;materialist libertarianism&lt;/a&gt; to analyse and modify narrativity. The characteristic theme of the works of Gibson is the role of the writer as observer.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Therefore, in Virtual Light, Gibson deconstructs &lt;a href=&quot;/lw/pv/the_conscious_sorites_paradox/&quot;&gt;the conscious sorites paradox&lt;/a&gt;; in All Tomorrow&amp;#x2019;s Parties, however, he analyses &lt;a href=&quot;/lw/rr/the_moral_void/&quot;&gt;the moral void&lt;/a&gt;. It could be said that the subject is contextualised into a neodeconstructive rationalism that includes art as a whole. Any number of situationisms concerning Bayesian rationality may be discovered.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;div class=&quot;md&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;I feel like now I have a really deep understanding. Basically everything is highly interconnected.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;div class=&quot;md&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;They also have many layers - like onions.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;div class=&quot;md&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;For reference, this post was constructed by taking the output of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;postmodernism generator&lt;/a&gt; and carefully hand-editing to replace literary/philosophical references to things recognizable around here, cleaning up the text to make it a bit more consistent, and adding in a bunch of named links to Lw articles.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I had been planning to post something that would serve as a proper send-up of the site, but realized I'm not quite that funny and clever.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;div class=&quot;md&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;THAT'S NOT TRUE!&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div class=&quot;md&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;&quot;What is truth?&quot;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;div class=&quot;md&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;These stories really blow your mind, man. Like: whoa! &amp;lt;magic fingers&amp;gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;div class=&quot;md&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;Huh? Are we being &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokal_Hoax&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sokal&amp;#39;d&lt;/a&gt;?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;ETA&lt;/strong&gt;: Oh, right, April Fool's. Nice use of a top-level post.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;div class=&quot;md&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;For a minute there I actually thought you were serious about reading a book&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;div class=&quot;md&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;That's an interesting question. The Sokal affair happened due to lack of peer review before publishing the paper. In this case, I can publish anything I want until I get about 2200 downvotes (or 220 downvotes on articles). Of course, this would require people to have at least 2200 karma collectively devoted to downvoting me in order to accomplish this.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That said, I think the topic of neodeconstructive rationalism deserves at least as much 'serious thought' here as semiotic postcontextualism.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;div class=&quot;md&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;How are April fool's jokes supposed to be voted on here, up or down?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;div class=&quot;md&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;That depends on whether you wish to see more April fool's jokes, or fewer.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;div class=&quot;md&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;up, obviously.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;div class=&quot;md&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;What does &quot;deconstructive&quot; mean? &amp;lt;/sincerity&amp;gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;div class=&quot;md&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;See &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.info.ucl.ac.be/~pvr/decon.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&amp;quot;How to Deconstruct Almost Anything&amp;quot;&lt;/a&gt; - an engineer's trip report into postmodernist studies. I enjoyed it a lot.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;div class=&quot;md&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;This is an interesting link - I will include it among my hypotheses when considering deconstruction in the future.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;div class=&quot;md&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;&quot;deconstructive&quot; means &quot;concerned with deconstruction&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&quot;deconstruction&quot; is the act-noun form of &quot;deconstruct&quot;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;div class=&quot;md&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deconstruct#Theory&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This should make things clearer&lt;/a&gt; - via Wikipedia&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;div class=&quot;md&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;What does &quot;deconstructive&quot; mean if &quot;deconstruct&quot; is &lt;a href=&quot;http://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki/Rationalist_taboo&quot;&gt;tabooed&lt;/a&gt;?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/div&gt;
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&lt;div class=&quot;md&quot;&gt;&lt;p&gt;From &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deconstruct#Theory&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wikipedia&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;Derrida began speaking and writing publicly at a time when the French intellectual scene was experiencing an increasing rift between what could broadly be called &quot;phenomenological&quot; and &quot;structural&quot; approaches to understanding individual and collective life. For those with a more phenomenological bent the goal was to understand experience by comprehending and describing its genesis, the process of its emergence from an origin or event. For the structuralists, this was precisely the false problem, and the &quot;depth&quot; of experience could in fact only be an effect of structures which are not themselves experiential. It is in this context that in 1959 Derrida asks the question: Must not structure have a genesis, and must not the origin, the point of genesis, be already structured, in order to be the genesis of something?&lt;/p&gt;
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<title>ShardPhoenix on The role of neodeconstructive rationalism in the works of Less Wrong</title>
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