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Comment author: taw 04 April 2010 02:15:07AM 4 points [-]

Is there any evidence that Bruce Bueno de Mesquita is anything else than a total fraud?

Am I missing something here?

Comment author: gwern 07 April 2010 09:26:50PM 0 points [-]

Well, his TED talk does make a number of specific testable predictions. They were registered in wrongtomorrow.com, but that's down.

Comment author: taw 10 April 2010 12:53:14AM 0 points [-]

Here they are. These are 5 predictions all basically saying "Iran will not make a nuclear test by 2011" as far as their predictive content is concerned, which is not much unlike predicting that "we will not use flying cars by 2011".

Comment author: gwern 10 April 2010 03:05:34AM 0 points [-]

I don't think they're that vague and obvious.

  • No nukes was something of a surprise to many people when that NIE came out
  • the loss of Ahmadinejad power prediction is nontrivial. I, and most others, I think, would have predicted an increase.
  • The noone-endorsing-nukes 2011 prediction is also significant, if heavily correlated with Ahmadinejad losing some power.
Comment author: taw 10 April 2010 11:13:36AM 0 points [-]

He predicts "Ahmedinijad will lose influence and the mullahs will become slightly more influential", not loss of office - which is not testable.

All Iranian officials have claimed endlessly that their program is "civilian only" etc. - it would be a huge surprise if they made a sudden reversal.

If someone expected Iran to have had nukes, they have a serious prediction problems. The only people "expecting" that were the same who were expecting Saddam to have nukes.

Comment author: ciphergoth 04 April 2010 08:56:38AM 0 points [-]

That review is a very worthwhile read - thanks for linking to it!

Comment author: Matt_Simpson 04 April 2010 06:32:06AM 0 points [-]

I've heard claims that his "general model of international conflict" has been independently tested by the CIA and some other organization to 90% accuracy, but haven't seen any details of any of these tests.

Comment author: taw 04 April 2010 08:15:53AM 0 points [-]

Oh he gives plenty of such claims, not a single one of them are independently verifiable. You cannot access such report. This increases my estimation he's a fraud relative to not giving such claims in the first place.

Comment author: Douglas_Knight 08 April 2010 05:15:38AM *  1 point [-]

At the Amazon link you provide, BBdM gives the full citation for the CIA report, among others:

Stanley Feder, "Factions and Policon: New Ways to Analyze Politics," in H. Bradford Westerfield, ed. Inside CIA's Private World: Declassified Articles from the Agency's Internal journal, 1955-1992 (New Haven: Yale University Press, 1995)

It does not mention BBdM by name, but is about Policon, which I believe is the original name of his company.

I have not read the report and don't know if it supports him, but I think it's pretty common for people's lack of interest in such reports to create the illusion that they have been fabricated so difficulty finding them on the web isn't much evidence.

ETA: the other articles he mentions: a follow-up by Feder (gated) and an academic review (ungated).

ETA: I have still not read the report, but I should say that first page says exactly what he says it says: 90% accuracy, standard CIA methods also 90% accuracy, but his predictions are more precise.

Comment author: CronoDAS 04 April 2010 09:23:43PM 0 points [-]

You'd think that if he had some method that at least happened to get lucky once in a while, he'd find a way to say "Hey, look at this success I can show!" or something.

Allow me to make a prediction: There will be conflict in the Middle East. ;)

(And I'm not exactly going out on a limb here. I don't even have to say when; there's been conflict there for roughly the past four thousand years, and I don't think anything's going to change that for as long as people still live there.)