mattnewport comments on Open Thread: April 2010 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: rortian 08 April 2010 01:51:40AM 0 points [-]

Do you really take that sort of thing seriously? Far out if you do, but I have trouble with the concept of an 'oath'.

Comment author: mattnewport 08 April 2010 01:54:14AM 1 point [-]

but I have trouble with the concept of an 'oath'.

How so?

Comment author: Kevin 08 April 2010 03:13:57AM 1 point [-]

An oath is an appeal to a sacred witness, typically the God of Abraham. An affirmation is the secular version of an oath in the American legal system.

Comment author: mattnewport 08 April 2010 07:33:09AM 0 points [-]

Hailing from secular Britain I wasn't aware of the distinction. Affirmation actually sounds more religious to me. I'd never particularly associated the idea of an oath with religion but I can see how such an association could sour one on the word 'oath'.

Comment author: rortian 09 April 2010 01:30:19AM 0 points [-]

Yeah I like Kevin's short answer. But in general I said to Rain:

You can say you will do something. If someone doesn't trust that assertion, how will they ever trust 'no really I'm serious'.

When you make something a contract you see there are some legal teeth, but swearing to uphold the constitution feels silly.

Comment author: mattnewport 09 April 2010 01:46:04AM 2 points [-]

Well obviously the idea of an oath only has value if it is credible, that is why there are often strong cultural taboos against oath breaking. In times past there were often harsh punishments for oath breaking to provide additional enforcement but it is true that in the modern world much of the function of oaths has been transferred to the legal system. Traditionally one of the things that defined a profession was the expectation that members of the profession held themselves to a standard above and beyond the minimum enforced by law however. Professional oaths are part of that tradition, as is the idea of an oath sworn by civil servants and other government employees. This general concept is not unique to the US or to government workers.