Vladimir_Nesov comments on Rationality quotes: April 2010 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 02 April 2010 08:35:51PM *  0 points [-]

According to what criterion? You'd end up comparing a prior to the prior you hold, with the "best" prior for you just being the same as yours. Like with preference. Clearly not the concept Unknowns was assuming -- you don't need luck to satisfy a tautology.

Comment author: wnoise 02 April 2010 09:02:49PM 0 points [-]

Of being better at predicting what happens, of course.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 02 April 2010 09:04:20PM 2 points [-]

You can't judge based on info you don't have. Based on what you do have, you can do no better than current prior.

Comment author: PhilGoetz 05 April 2010 03:29:53PM *  1 point [-]

But you can go and get info, and then judge, and say, "That prior that I held was wrong."

You're speaking as if all truth were relative. I don't know if you mean this, but your comments in this thread imply that there is no such thing as truth.

You've recently had other discussions about values and ethics, and the argument you're making here parallels your position in that argument. You may be trying to keep your believes about values, and about truths in general, in syntactic conformance. But rationally I hope you agree they're different.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 05 April 2010 04:56:33PM *  1 point [-]

But you can go and get info, and then judge, and say, "That prior that I held was wrong."

It is only wrong not to update.

Comment author: wnoise 05 April 2010 06:14:09PM 1 point [-]

And, of course the priors must be updated the correct way.

Nonetheless, it is greatly preferable to have a prior that led to decisions that gave high utility, rather than one that led to decisions that gave low utility. Of course this can't be measured "before hand". But the whole point of updating is to get better priors, in this exact sense, for the next round of decisions and updates.

Comment author: wnoise 02 April 2010 09:11:30PM 0 points [-]

I am in violent agreement.