NancyLebovitz comments on Single Point of Moral Failure - Less Wrong

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Comment author: NancyLebovitz 07 April 2010 06:37:38PM 0 points [-]

No, the word I want is "nationalism". It's commonly flavored with ideology, but mere ideology doesn't have as much power as a national government.

Also, the havoc caused by ideological governments is partly framed as necessary for the nation.

Mass movements may eventually may start causing as much havoc as governments (especially if we count decentralized terrorism as a mass movement), but I don't think it's happened yet. What mass movements do you have in mind?

Comment author: cousin_it 07 April 2010 07:25:30PM *  3 points [-]

but mere ideology doesn't have as much power as a national government

"Mere"?

I know this ideology that created many national governments...

I know this other ideology that openly said it wanted to gain power in a country and persecute a certain ethnic group, and then did just that...

And, get this, I know another ideology that started out in a poor province and took over an empire...

Comment author: Amanojack 07 April 2010 06:44:02PM 1 point [-]

No, the word I want is "nationalism". It's commonly flavored with ideology, but mere ideology doesn't have as much power as a national government.

"Paternalism" seems to capture the relevant aspects of nationalism, religion, and mass movement ideologies.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 07 April 2010 09:11:45PM 0 points [-]

The scary aspect of nationalism is the common belief that it should override all other values.