Jonathan_Graehl comments on The many faces of status - Less Wrong

39 Post author: Morendil 15 April 2010 03:31PM

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Comment author: Morendil 16 April 2010 07:13:37AM 0 points [-]

My source is this article, the very first Google hit for "bonobo dominance hierarchy", which (apparently citing de Waal), states bluntly "There is no true dominance hierarchy for females; rather they are called 'influential' females."

it does seem reasonable for Doug to ask for a cite.

Do note how you obtain better results if you know to ask nicely.

My main point is that the Bonobo social organization puts, to say the least, a very different set of connotations on the term "alpha" than it carries in everyday discourse or in PUA lore, and that we should look with at least some caution at our theories of dominance as applied to the human animal.

Comment author: Jonathan_Graehl 16 April 2010 06:22:08PM 3 points [-]

Most people employing heuristics and strategies for becoming better-liked or more-influential (PUA included) ultimately get their views from observation of human behavior (or some guru-regurgitated version thereof). That they sometimes make wooly arguments by analogy to some story about a pack of wolves, or paleolithic man, is indeed shameful, but I'm sure that they aren't actually studying animals and then using those conclusions to guide their interactions with people.