thomblake comments on Beginning at the Beginning - Less Wrong

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Comment author: thomblake 12 March 2009 09:16:51PM 1 point [-]

I'm making the assumption that we've verified the predictor's accuracy, so it doesn't really matter how the predictor achieves it.

Right, and I'm saying that that assumption only holds in fiction, and so using decision procedures based on it is irrational.

In any case, this basically boils down to cause-and-effect once again: if you believe in "free will", then you'll object to the existence of a Predictor, and base your decisions accordingly. If you believe, however, in cause-and-effect, then a Predictor is at least theoretically possible.

I'm afraid this is a straw man - I'm with Dennett on free will. However, in most situations you find yourself in, believing that a Predictor has the aforementioned power is bad for you, free will or no.

Also, I'm not sure what you mean by 'at least theoretically possible'. Do you mean 'possible or not possible'? Or 'not yet provably impossible'? The Predictor is at best unlikely, and might be physically impossible even in a completely deterministic universe (entirely due to practicality / engineering concerns / the amount of matter in the universe / the amount that one has to model).

(By the way, if humans have free will -- i.e., the ability to behave in an acausal manner -- then so do subatomic particles.)

This does not logically follow. Insert missing premises?

Comment author: pjeby 12 March 2009 09:40:32PM 0 points [-]

Free will and subatomic particles

As for the rest, I'm surprised you think it would take such a lot of engineering to simulate a human brain... we're already working on simulating small parts of a mouse brain... there's not that many more orders of magnitude left. Similarly, if you think nanotech will make cryonics practical at some point, then the required technology is on par with what you'd need to make a brain in a jar... or just duplicate the person and use their answer.