SilasBarta comments on CogSci books - Less Wrong

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Comment author: fburnaby 20 April 2010 06:13:18PM *  6 points [-]

Can anyone here recommend reading Fodor? He seems to be very important in the field, but every time I read a short review, he seems to entirely discredit himself, betraying fundamental misunderstandings of the subjects that he criticizes. He's now attacking evolutionary theory in the same way.

Fodor:

The present worry is that the explication of natural selection by appeal to selective breeding is seriously misleading, and that it thoroughly misled Darwin. Because breeders have minds, there’s a fact of the matter about what traits they breed for; if you want to know, just ask them. Natural selection, by contrast, is mindless; it acts without malice aforethought. That strains the analogy between natural selection and breeding, perhaps to the breaking point. What, then, is the intended interpretation when one speaks of natural selection? The question is wide open as of this writing.

I feel obligated give him a chance, given his importance, but he comes off as absolutely ignorant of the things he attempts to criticize. Is there anyone here to disagree and encourage further reading here? Or is he truly as obvious a waste of time as he seems?

Comment author: SilasBarta 20 April 2010 06:26:07PM 0 points [-]

Isn't the obvious answer to his pondering just "Natural selection selects for gene frequency"? And hasn't that been pretty well known for a while? If so, that's pretty bad.

And it doesn't help that everything I've read by him so far comes across as disconnected, unmotivated rambling. :-/ I'm gonna have to agree with you.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 03 December 2012 04:48:04PM 1 point [-]

Gene frequency is true but not terribly informative, or at least I'm more interested in what sort of organisms you end up with.

Selective breeding is for easily identified traits that people can understand. Natural selection produces something more complex and less obvious.