Rain comments on Eight Short Studies On Excuses - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Rain 22 April 2010 10:43:12PM *  0 points [-]

It may be negative utility since requesting explicit and clear statements are against social norms and can be taken as implicit accusations of ignorance or incompetence.

Taking things literally and lacking the ability to determine hidden or assumed social meanings is a low status trait, showing that you can be easily tricked, are easy to ridicule in a public fashion without reprisal, etc. Or maybe that's just me.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 22 April 2010 11:37:20PM 2 points [-]

No, I agree that there's a risk to asking questions in some social circles, and it may not even be obvious which social circles they are.

I believe we are making the world a little with our interactions, and it's sometimes worth trying to bend the world in our preferred direction.

Comment author: HughRistik 22 April 2010 11:41:15PM 0 points [-]

The influence of social norms is why it isn't always a good think to advocate and request clarity in public and normal social interactions. But LessWrong is exactly the place to flout those norms and advocate non-oblique communication. Are we actually disagreeing?

Comment author: Rain 23 April 2010 12:39:01AM *  2 points [-]

If your statement is that we should cultivate explicit speech on LessWrong, then I would agree that the members of this community already practice that norm, and advocating it here is appropriate.

If your statement is that we, as members of the LessWrong community, should spread the use of explicit speech to the masses, then I would disagree, as training people in even small ways like that takes significantly more time than is worth the effort except with very close friends.

Or did you mean something else? You really should be more explicit ;-P

Comment author: HughRistik 23 April 2010 02:30:36AM 1 point [-]

My statement is that we should observe the need for explicit speech in certain contexts, even though it might be impractical to actively encourage it in the masses.

If your statement is that we, as members of the LessWrong community, should spread the use of explicit speech to the masses, then I would disagree, as training people in even small ways like that takes significantly more time than is worth the effort except with very close friends.

Wouldn't this statement also apply to promotion of, say, atheism? Advocating atheism on an individual level also "takes significantly more time than is worth the effort except with very close friends."

Isn't LessWrong exactly the place to make rational arguments over subjects that many regard as trivial, and arguments that are impractical to pursue with the masses of non-rationalists?

I hope that's explicit enough ;)

Comment author: komponisto 23 April 2010 01:33:11AM 1 point [-]

If your statement is that we, as members of the LessWrong community, should spread the use of explicit speech to the masses, then I would disagree, as training people in even small ways like that takes significantly more time than is worth the effort except with very close friends.

Disagreeing about whether something is practical is distinct from disagreeing about whether the world would be a better place if it were done.