Jack comments on Proposed New Features for Less Wrong - Less Wrong

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Comment author: byrnema 27 April 2010 05:13:29AM *  7 points [-]

I agree. Winning and losing karma makes spending time on Less Wrong entertaining, and is useful feedback, but a sense of community and belonging is what makes it rewarding. I don't think people care about losing karma here and there (or even a huge chunk all at once) if they feel their presence here is generally welcome.

Part of the problem is that we are probably -- admittedly -- somewhat ambivalent about whether each new person is welcome when they make a comment or post that is voted down. The newcomers feel tested, and are being tested, and it's not clear how long they have until they haven't passed.

To this end, I suggest formalizing a norm where a newcomer never fails but has a special 'prentice' status until they have something like 200 karma. Being a prentice would mean that you receive karma feedback as usual but any non-prentices should consider themselves mentors and make sure that in the case of any negative karma feedback, there is also constructive comment feedback.

In my first 200 points, there were a handful of people that I felt were especially helpful in making me feel welcome (through their patience and constructive feedback), and this made a big difference.

Comment author: Jack 27 April 2010 05:56:27AM 1 point [-]

It would be bad-ass if we had a system where (maybe in addition to some karma total) advancing past prentice status required a nomination and a second from posters with higher karma (maybe those with 400+ have the power to nominate and second).

Maybe that would make participation more intimidating, and maybe this is too pseudo-caste making and would undermine our collective rationality. But it would make things more fun, create a sense of accomplishment and belonging, and if we're going to be a rationality dojo maybe we should really embrace the dojo thing.

Comment author: thomblake 27 April 2010 01:24:41PM 1 point [-]

Maybe that would make participation more intimidating, and maybe this is too pseudo-caste making and would undermine our collective rationality.

Yes.