thomblake comments on Attention Less Wrong: We need an FAQ - Less Wrong

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Comment author: thomblake 29 April 2010 12:33:03PM 0 points [-]

Surely it's a de facto ethical theory, since it determines entirely what the FAI should do. But then, the FAI is not supposed to be a person, so that might make a difference for our use of 'ethical'.

Comment author: Matt_Simpson 29 April 2010 01:23:43PM 0 points [-]

hmm. Then wouldn't it be premised on subjective relativism? (relative to humans)

Comment author: thomblake 29 April 2010 01:45:57PM 0 points [-]

Yes, I'd considered that when I wrote it, but it's an odd use of 'relative' when it might be equivalent to 'the same for everyone'.

Comment author: Matt_Simpson 29 April 2010 01:57:55PM *  0 points [-]

not all possible minds, just human minds

EDIT: but if you thought all possible minds had the same preferences, then it would be subjective nonrelative, wouldn't it?

Comment author: thomblake 29 April 2010 02:08:37PM 0 points [-]

EDIT: but if you thought all possible minds had the same preferences, then it would be subjective nonrelative, wouldn't it?

Maybe, though in that unlikely event I would suspect that there's some universal law behind that odd fact about preferences, in which case I'd think it would be objective.

Comment author: thomblake 29 April 2010 02:00:01PM 0 points [-]

Well I'm not sure we need to consider merely logically possible minds, and it's logically possible that non-human minds are physically impossible.

Comment author: RobinZ 29 April 2010 02:19:04PM 0 points [-]

Only in the sense that it logically possible that travel to Mars is physically impossible. The wording is deceptive.

Comment author: thomblake 29 April 2010 02:41:11PM 0 points [-]

I'm not sure what sense you're referring to, or what you're comparing it to, or how it's deceptive.

Comment author: RobinZ 29 April 2010 02:46:39PM *  0 points [-]
Comment author: thomblake 29 April 2010 03:10:47PM 0 points [-]

I'm afraid that wasn't enough to clear it up for me. Nor is it clear how privileging the hypothesis is relevant to a discussion of logical possibility. Or are you claiming that was the wrong domain of inquiry?

Comment author: RobinZ 29 April 2010 03:17:40PM 1 point [-]

Saying "X is logically possible" bears the conversational implication that X is worth considering - it raises X to conscious attention. But when we're talking about physical possibility, "logically possible" is the wrong criterion for raising hypotheses to conscious attention, because epistemological limitations imply that every hypothesis is logically possible. Given that we have good physical reasons to draw the opposite conclusion in this case, it is generally a mistake to emphasize the possibility.