gelisam comments on Open Thread: May 2010 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: [deleted] 02 May 2010 12:56:37PM 13 points [-]

Theism. Couldn't keep it. In the end, it wasn't so much that the evidence was good -- it had always been good -- as that I lost the conviction that "holding out" or "staying strong" against atheism was a virtue.

Standard liberal politics, of the sort that involved designing a utopia and giving it to people who didn't want it. I had to learn, by hearing stories, some of them terrible, that you have no choice but to respect and listen to other people, if you want to avoid hurting them in ways you really don't want to hurt them.

Comment author: gelisam 02 May 2010 03:46:21PM 0 points [-]

could you link some of these stories, please? I am known to entertain utopian ideas from time to time, but if utopias really do hurt people, then I'd rather believe that they hurt people.

Comment author: [deleted] 02 May 2010 03:49:27PM 2 points [-]

Personal stories, from a friend, so no, there's no place to link them. Well-meaning liberals have either hurt, or failed to help, him and people close to him.

Comment author: Matt_Simpson 02 May 2010 04:48:33PM *  1 point [-]

Communism is one utopia that ended in disaster, see Rummel's Death by Government

Comment author: xamdam 02 May 2010 04:23:13PM 1 point [-]

I recommend reading Blank Slate to get a good perspective on the Utopian issues; the examples (I was born in USSR) are trivial to come by, but the book will give you a mental framework to deal with the issues.