Kutta comments on Rationality quotes: May 2010 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Kutta 01 May 2010 06:36:57AM *  22 points [-]

Forget Jesus. The stars died so that you could be here today.

Comment author: ata 01 May 2010 06:59:48AM *  8 points [-]

A fun quote, but not an especially rational one, I think. Just as I can't stand people who try to recast mysticism in the language of science (Deepak Chopra, etc.), I think we should avoid recasting science in the language of mysticism. Who's going to better understand stars after hearing them compared to Jesus? It won't even increase people's appreciation of science; it'll increase their appreciation of some other unrelated thing that they'll learn to refer to by the word "science".

Comment author: Kutta 01 May 2010 09:41:40AM *  9 points [-]

I agree. But, as a slight tangent, I think that after we've dealt with basic problems of rationality - that cause much confusion when poetic language is mixed with science - there is still the fact that science has undeniable aesthetic and emotional effects on people familiar with it. Those things are part of the fun, apart from doing science strictly in order to win, which may have gave Eliezer the idea of weirdtopia with secretive science. Also, I think that being artistically refined and poignant about science differs greatly from plain mysticism. The latter is often a vacuous and cheap trick to invoke a warm fuzzy feeling. The real feat would be to be artistic with the purpose of making people feel emotions that fit the facts.

Comment author: [deleted] 01 May 2010 07:07:32AM 4 points [-]

There have been martyrs for conscience, though.

That's a better model than stars, which, not to press a point, are inanimate.

Comment author: Nominull 01 May 2010 06:46:48AM 1 point [-]

Stars don't die on purpose though, it's not as impressive.

Comment author: HumanFlesh 01 May 2010 08:21:23AM 12 points [-]

Are you implying that Jesus' crucifixion was an example of suicide via cop?