RichardKennaway comments on Rationality quotes: May 2010 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: RichardKennaway 01 May 2010 08:10:26AM 8 points [-]

"This is the first test of a gentleman: his respect for those who can be of no possible value to him."

-- William Lyon Phelps

Comment author: AndyWood 01 May 2010 04:16:59PM 5 points [-]

This seems impossible. If you respect those who "can be of no possible value" to you, and this causes others to hold you in higher regard, and if the esteem of others confers any value to you, then those you respected were valuable to you in that way.

Comment author: Gavin 02 May 2010 04:13:19AM 1 point [-]

It might be more accurately rephrased as "can confer no interpersonal advantage on him."

Or perhaps ". . . no possible worth to him other than the satisfaction of having upheld his values."

Comment author: PhilGoetz 01 May 2010 03:48:15PM 2 points [-]

Therefore, gentlemen are irrational. QED.

Comment author: Alicorn 01 May 2010 04:04:33PM *  1 point [-]

Only if niceness, or the welfare of others, or any of the many possible reasons to value people you don't find personally useful, are irrational terminal values.

Comment author: PhilGoetz 02 May 2010 03:03:32AM 3 points [-]

Yes - but the original quote said "of no possible value", not "of no possible use". :)

Comment author: Rain 01 May 2010 04:13:20PM 2 points [-]

I thought values were arational?

Comment author: Alicorn 01 May 2010 04:35:46PM 0 points [-]

Exactly.