PhilGoetz comments on But Somebody Would Have Noticed - Less Wrong

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Comment author: PhilGoetz 05 May 2010 09:40:54PM *  -2 points [-]

The predicate shaves(X,X) is very different from the predicate member-of(X,X). To find values of X that satisfy the first, you simply enumerate all of your facts about

shaves(al, fred) shaves(al, joe) shaves(al, al)

and look for one that unifies with shaves(X,X).

You aren't going to find the X that satisfy member(X,X) by unification. It isn't even ever true for finite sets, except by convention for the empty set.

Comment author: Tyrrell_McAllister 05 May 2010 10:12:07PM *  1 point [-]

It isn't even ever true for finite sets, except by convention for the empty set.

I think that you're confusing the element-of relation with the subset-of relation. Or something. But then, all sets are subsets of themselves, including finite ones, so I'm not sure what you were thinking.

At any rate, the empty set is not an element of itself according to any convention that I've ever seen.

You aren't going to find the X that satisfy member(X,X) by unification.

I'm not sure how to respond to this until you answer my question in this comment.

Comment author: PhilGoetz 08 May 2010 05:10:16AM *  0 points [-]

At any rate, the empty set is not an element of itself according to any convention that I've ever seen.

You're right; I was mis-remembering. It can't be, or 1 := 0 u {0} wouldn't work.