Vladimir_M comments on The Social Coprocessor Model - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Vladimir_M 17 May 2010 08:16:13PM *  9 points [-]

Other people (that I have talked to) seem to be divided on whether it was a good thing to do or not.

It sure was one hell of a low status signal. The worst possible way you can fail a shit test is to get visibly hurt and angry.

As for whether she deserved it, well, if you want to work in the kitchen, better be prepared to stand the heat. Expecting women you hit on to follow the same norms of behavior as your regular buddies and colleagues, and then getting angry when they don't, is like getting into a boxing match and then complaining you've been assaulted.

Comment author: Mallah 18 May 2010 03:48:57PM -1 points [-]

I don't think I got visibly hurt or angry. In fact, when I did it, I was feeling more tempted than angry. I was in the middle of a conversation with another guy, and her rear appeared nearby, and I couldn't resist.

It made me seem like a jerk, which is bad, but not necessarily low status. Acting without apparent fear of the consequences, even stupidly, is often respected as long as you get away with it.

Another factor is that this was a 'high status' woman. I'm not sure but she might be related to a celebrity. (I didn't know that at the time.) Hence, any story linking me and her may be 'bad publicity' for me but there is the old saying 'there's no such thing as bad publicity'.

Comment author: pjeby 18 May 2010 06:29:28PM 4 points [-]

Acting without apparent fear of the consequences, even stupidly, is often respected as long as you get away with it.

But you didn't get away with it.

Also, technically, you acted like a creep, not a jerk. (A jerk acts boldly, a creep is sneaky and opportunistic.)

Comment author: Mallah 19 May 2010 02:35:13PM 0 points [-]

I wasn't sneaky about it.

Comment author: Vladimir_M 18 May 2010 03:55:00PM *  4 points [-]

Acting without apparent fear of the consequences, even stupidly, is often respected as long as you get away with it.

That's true only if you manage to maintain the absolute no-apologies attitude. If you had to apologize about it, it's automatically a major fail. (Not trying to put you down, just giving you a realistic perspective.)