torekp comments on Study: Encouraging Obedience Considered Harmful - Less Wrong

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Comment author: torekp 18 May 2010 12:14:53AM *  3 points [-]

Sadly, this is often the equivalent of tilting at windmills. The kids' blind conformity and fanatical adherence to their peer group norms, and their fervor to ruthlessly punish and ostracize their peers who fail to live up to them or who end up assigned low status according to them, is rarely matched by even the most fanatical and close-minded adults.

As Bongo said, "teach them to hide it". That is, let them know that they can outwardly go along with peer group standards while inwardly reserving judgment, or holding a different judgment. Also, teaching kids social skills (primarily, how to make friends) allows them to participate in multiple, sometimes overlapping groups. That will enhance the ability to reserve judgment, first on what the groups differ on, and later also on what they share.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 18 May 2010 12:30:58PM 4 points [-]

Part of the point of teaching independence of thought is so that it can lead to independent action, so there's got to be more than going along while thinking your own thoughts.

Comment author: torekp 20 May 2010 01:50:30AM 2 points [-]

Sure, but there's usually nothing wrong with conforming to an unwritten teenage dress code (for example). As SarahC said, battles should be picked carefully.