pjeby comments on More art, less stink: Taking the PU out of PUA - Less Wrong

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Comment author: [deleted] 10 September 2010 06:42:07PM 8 points [-]

PUA is hardly ever defined and explained as being in women's best interest. It's more likely to appear alongside evo-psych stories that play up the zero-sum aspects of mating. Taking PUA writers at their word, their methods are bad for women -- and by design. So of course women wouldn't like it.

I actually think that it would be a net gain for straight women if social skills and sexiness improved across the male population. It gives us a broader pool of appealing people to choose from. But that's looking at benign behaviors; I wouldn't be so cheerful about behaviors designed to put women at a disadvantage.

Comment author: pjeby 10 September 2010 07:02:00PM 6 points [-]

Taking PUA writers at their word, their methods are bad for women -- and by design.

Not all such writers; for example, on this page, scroll down to "Here's What Women Have to Say About AMP".

Of course, the AMP people don't talk evo-psych at all in their sales materials or training; the closest thing to zero-sum logic I've heard them use was when they commented on the idea that a man feels most loved when his woman can give him the freedom to be with other women... and that she in turn feels most loved if he doesn't feel the need to actually use that freedom.

(Even there, though, they were talking about it from the perspective of transcending the zero-sum aspect, so as to get both people's needs met, rather than taking it for granted that it means somebody has to "lose" for the other to "win.)