XFrequentist comments on More art, less stink: Taking the PU out of PUA - Less Wrong

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Comment author: XFrequentist 12 September 2010 02:40:23AM *  4 points [-]

Adams' list is a jump-off point, and was included for illustrative purposes only. Cults and propaganda won't make the cut. I wouldn't think hypnosis would either (although I'd be interested hearing your anecdote).

"Dark Arts" on LessWrong has a specific meaning. The accusation has merit; this program intends to influence others based on factors other than rationality. However, I (and others) have argued that learning this type of material is:

  1. a good exercise in instrumental rationality.
  2. necessary to accomplish things in the real world.
  3. possibly a requirement to get people to consider the merit of your ideas at all.
Comment author: wedrifid 12 September 2010 12:27:36PM 3 points [-]

It is also a good exercise in epistemic rationality. Neglecting or corrupting whole swathes of your map not epistemically rational, even if you suspect that part of the territory contains dragons.

Comment author: XFrequentist 12 September 2010 03:37:32PM 2 points [-]

Humanity: Thar be dragons!

Comment author: eggman 21 October 2011 05:11:41AM 2 points [-]

Hello XFrequentist,

If you missed my comment above, to summarize: Through networks like freethinker or atheist clubs, and OKCupid, I am more likely to find people who win at life and share my values. But I don't think I'm good enough at talking to them. I want to learn this material so I can do these things: http://lesswrong.com/lw/4ul/less_wrong_nyc_case_study_of_a_successful/ http://lesswrong.com/lw/818/how_to_understand_people_better/ and make friends better.

I couldn't find a formal discussion group, like one has been suggested on these threads, but I think it would help me a lot. Can you point me in the direction of one?