HughRistik comments on More art, less stink: Taking the PU out of PUA - Less Wrong

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Comment author: patrissimo 12 September 2010 12:41:33PM 12 points [-]

I am skeptical that we can win without the Dark Arts.

There are lots of people out there with bad goals and wrong beliefs and powerful skills at persuading and manipulating people to take on those beliefs and help those goals. Like marketers and politicians. If we want resources for our goals, and to spread our beliefs, we need to learn the techniques of persuasion and memetics.

This isn't a video game, the world doesn't care about Light and Dark, and it isn't set up so that the good guys can win. Those who employ the best techniques for achieving their goals are more likely to achieve their goals. In a world where good people refuse to learn how to persuade others and gain power, the world will be ruled by bad people. That's how it is now, and I'm sick of it.

I'm Gray and proud of it. Shades of gray matter - a lot - but White is for losers.

Comment author: HughRistik 12 September 2010 10:04:47PM 8 points [-]

In a world where good people refuse to learn how to persuade others and gain power, the world will be ruled by bad people. That's how it is now, and I'm sick of it.

I'm Gray and proud of it. Shades of gray matter - a lot - but White is for losers.

Very well said. I'd take it one step further and say that when the only practical options are shades of Gray, then Gray is the new White.

Options that aren't practically viable should never end up in the moral calculus to begin with. Morality should be the thing we use to select between the practical options.