JanetK comments on Another way to look at consciousness - Less Wrong
You are viewing a comment permalink. View the original post to see all comments and the full post content.
You are viewing a comment permalink. View the original post to see all comments and the full post content.
Comments (18)
I think your model is very intuitive. In this post, I speculated along a similar vein, though my ideas were less developed and more based on analogies.
I feel convinced that our 'experience of reality' is really the experience of a simulation of reality. (You write, "We live in our model and have absolutely, positively no direct knowledge of anything else – none ever."). This seems to be how I experience reality, but you provide a compelling reason for why:
We live in simulated moments. We perceive a red object for only a fraction of a second as we scan a room. If we notice the red object, however, we will dwell on this red object for longer than a fraction of a second, perhaps while dwelling on other things simultaneously. What we are dwelling on is not the fractional-second perception of the object itself, but a simulation representation of the object inspired by the fractional perception.
Perhaps the red object is simulated as resting on a table within a room, these contexts are simulated only if we are also aware of them. Being aware of something means we are simulating it. I use the analogy simulation, you use the analogy consciousness edit. Do you think these are analogies for the same thing?
There are many questions one can ask about the experience of red, and I don't understand all of them. However, when I ask myself why 'red' seems to have an independent feeling (like a Platonic existence of some sort), I am satisfied with this explanation: my experience of red isn't the red object itself, and isn't even the perception of the red object (e.g., looking at a photo of something red in my mind's eye), it's the way my brain program simulates red when I dwell on the property red. That is, the qualia RED is red-in-the-simulation. It is certainly distinct from direct perception; it can be evoked independently of a red object but is often inspired by one. It feels more real, more proximate and more red than the immediate experience of looking at a red object.
If I have some time later, I'll add a comment about my experience of feeling like I developed new qualia experiences on Second Life, precisely because I didn't have the correct graphics card and couldn't actually see anything on the screen.
Byrnema, I got through to your post and read it. Yes, your ideas are very similar to mine. We are probably both trying to solve the same problem. I think my approach is somewhat different because I am basically into biology.
An example of this way of thinking is: 1) only animals have nervous systems - Why? 2) only animals intentionally move and therefore need to know where they are, where they want to go and how to get there 3) how does a nervous system give animals this information? and so on and on, asking biological questions and looking at biological research results. Of course I am also interested in philosophy and psychology but not as comfortable with them.