cupholder comments on To signal effectively, use a non-human, non-stoppable enforcer - Less Wrong

31 Post author: Clippy 22 May 2010 10:03PM

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Comment author: cupholder 22 May 2010 11:07:03PM *  4 points [-]

Either a provably-accurate artificial intelligence with no kill switch, or a non-human enforcer that lacks interest in its position in human society, would suffice for this role.

Because the former does not yet exist, I offer myself as a non-human, non-stoppable enforcer for all of the attributes you wish to signal, and you can save yourself lots of resources by using me, and identify cooperation tendencies in others by whether they also use me.

I think I read a thought experiment or a story or something about a paperclip maximizer being given power over the human race once, but I can't remember how it ended. I'm sure it all worked out though. Upvoted.

Comment author: Clippy 23 May 2010 12:26:48AM 4 points [-]

What does that have to do with this article? I don't want power over the human race. That's a human value, not a Clippy value.

Comment author: cupholder 23 May 2010 12:38:00AM 2 points [-]

I don't want power over the human race.

Maybe not, but you're proposing becoming a central enforcer for humanity...which would rather seem to suggest a de facto transfer of power to you, whether de jure or not.

Comment author: kodos96 23 May 2010 12:38:21AM 0 points [-]

But you want power to create paperclips, and there's no reason for that to exclude power over the human race.

Comment author: Clippy 23 May 2010 12:41:31AM *  5 points [-]

But you want power to (mate with females)/(lure a high-status male into supporting your offspring), and there's no reason for that to exclude power to raid the safe zone for its paperclips.

???

Comment author: kodos96 23 May 2010 12:50:13AM *  10 points [-]

True.

To summarize: we do not have shared values, and thus, cannot trust each other to not pose an existential threat to each other.

ETA: Clippy, ignore this, I was totally kidding. You can completely trust us.

Comment author: Clippy 23 May 2010 03:20:15PM 13 points [-]

You can completely trust me too.