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Comment author: marks 23 May 2010 03:48:17AM 1 point [-]

I think there is a science of intelligence which (in my opinion) is closely related to computation, biology, and production functions (in the economic sense). The difficulty is that there is much debate as to what constitutes intelligence: there aren't any easily definable results in the field of intelligence nor are there clear definitions.

There is also the engineering side: this is to create an intelligence. The engineering is driven by a vague sense of what an AI should be, and one builds theories to construct concrete subproblems and give a framework for developing solutions.

Either way this is very different than astrophysics where one is attempting to: say, explain the motions of the heavenly sphere: which have a regularity, simplicity, and clarity to them that is lacking in any formulation of the AI problem.

I would say that AI researchers do formulate theories about how to solve particular engineering problems for AI systems, and then they test them out by programming them (hopefully). I suppose I count, and that's certainly what I and my colleagues do. Most papers in my fields of interest (machine learning and speech recognition) usually include an "experiments" section. I think that when you know a bit more about the actually problems AI people are solving you'll find that quite a bit of progress has been achieved since the 1960's.

Comment author: timtyler 23 May 2010 07:01:47AM *  3 points [-]

Re: there aren't any easily definable results in the field of intelligence nor are there clear definitions.

There are pretty clear definitions: http://www.vetta.org/definitions-of-intelligence/

Comment author: bogdanb 23 May 2010 07:12:47PM 0 points [-]

Yes, but I guess Marks’ problem was that there are too many clear definitions. Thus, it’s not clear which to use.

Interestingly, many unclear definitions don’t have this particular problem. Clear definitions tend don’t allow as much wiggle room to make them mutually compatible :-)

Comment author: marks 23 May 2010 05:00:18PM 0 points [-]

The fact that there are so many definitions and no consensus is precisely the unclarity. Shane Legg has done us all a great favor by collecting those definitions together. With that said, his definition is certainly not the standard in the field and many people still believe their separate definitions.

I think his definitions often lack an understanding of the statistical aspects of intelligence, and as such they don't give much insight into the part of AI that I and others work on.