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Comment author: DanielVarga 30 May 2010 07:01:20AM *  13 points [-]

I think the issue was that Harry was constantly, perpetually, invariably reacting to everything with shock and outrage. It got... tiresome.

I suspect that a main inspiration for writing the story was Eliezer's constant shock and outrage over the fact that Rowling's characters show absolutely no interest in the inner workings of their weird Universe. I vividly remember how outrageous this was for me when I read the originals. Actually, I have only read the first two books, so when I read Eliezer's time-turner scene, I first believed that he invented the artifact and the situation as an over-the-top satire of this phenomenon. Giving young children time-machines so they could attend more classes, yeah right. When I figured out that the whole scene is almost literally copied from the original books, I screamed in shock and outrage just like rationalist Harry did.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 30 May 2010 07:26:53AM *  20 points [-]

Literally laughing out loud, here.

But just to be clear, this story represents my outrage at all scientifically uncurious characters everywhere, and even more than that, my unfilled need to read a story where for just once the alleged "genius" characters are actual geniuses.

I was not picking on J. K. Rowling in particular in any way.

It is a work of Harry Potter fanfiction for the following simple reason:

I knew I needed a rapid feedback loop to motivate my brain to write. That was why I was bogging down on the rationality book.

And to the best of my knowledge of the entire world of online fiction, if you were posting an incomplete story chapter-by-chapter, it would get the most reviews if...

...it were a work of Harry Potter fanfiction posted on fanfiction.net.

QED.

Comment author: DanielVarga 30 May 2010 08:58:08AM 19 points [-]

I think I know a place on the internet where you can post books on rationality chapter-by-chapter, and get much instant feedback.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 12 July 2010 04:58:29PM 12 points [-]

Actually, on reviewing this remark later, it's not quite true. My brain generated an idea set in the HPverse because I'd been reading a lot of HP fanfiction, and I accepted it and stopped the search because it was also optimal for getting reviews. However, I've since read analyses showing that Twilight stories are getting more new reviews on FF.net than Harry Potter, and I don't think I'd have been the smallest bit tempted if I'd known the fact in advance.

Comment author: Alicorn 12 July 2010 08:56:00PM *  12 points [-]

I think a version of Twilight with a rationalist Bella as the protagonist would be hilarious.

It'd also be very short, though.

Comment author: Blueberry 12 July 2010 08:59:32PM 11 points [-]

You should totally write one!

Comment author: Alicorn 12 July 2010 09:04:24PM 10 points [-]

I'm tempted! And come to think of it, I suppose it wouldn't have to be short; I could draw it out by leaning on the right bits of canon...

But I loaned out my copy of the first book ages ago and it's still gone, so I would need to pirate a copy as reference.

Comment author: Blueberry 12 July 2010 10:35:47PM 5 points [-]

And come to think of it, I suppose it wouldn't have to be short; I could draw it out by leaning on the right bits of canon...

Hopefully Bella can join up with a few other vampires and start taking over the world. It could be very long.

I would need to pirate a copy as reference.

Sent.

Comment author: Alicorn 13 July 2010 02:12:22AM *  11 points [-]

All right, all right, I'll at least give this a try. In keeping with the books' title themes, what do folks think of "Luminosity" as a title? (With luminosity as a theme over HP:MOR's emphasis on science, because I don't have the background to competently pull off the science.)

Comment author: Alicorn 13 July 2010 07:55:03AM *  19 points [-]

I did it.

Also, I hate fanfiction.net's interface for publishing stories SO MUCH. I'm probably going to just put the rest of this on my own webspace. EDIT: I am still updating on ff.net to get readers from conventional Twilight fandom, but made the story its own website and have changed the link above.

Also-also, my only account on fanfiction.net is Alicorn24. I am not affiliated in any way with anyone else using the word "alicorn" in their username.

Also-also-also, I'm not quite as much of a review junkie as Eliezer is. However, I a) am unlikely to bother with the story if I'm the only one enjoying it, as I do have creative projects with audiences that could benefit from my attention, and b) plan to treat this as a somewhat experimental work. (For instance, the first chapter has no actual in-quotes dialogue, which I did because dialogue is my strongest suit as a writer and it was challenging to work without it.) Info on what works for readers and what doesn't would be good, as well as periodic reminders that someone's paying attention.

Comment author: RobinZ 13 July 2010 12:23:58PM 4 points [-]

Interesting. You might want to revise the description a couple chapters in, once the story has its own identity, but the character seems like someone who might be entertaining to follow.

(As with Harry Potter, I'm coming in with zero knowledge of the base material - Twilight bored me no less quickly than Philosopher's Stone.)

Comment author: rhollerith_dot_com 13 July 2010 11:34:25AM *  3 points [-]

Info on what works for readers and what doesn't would be good

Here goes.

Since I had not read any of the books or seen any of the movies, I lacked confidence that I possessed the prerequisites for reading your fanfic.

It turned out that I did possess the needed prerequisites (for reading Chapter 1) but I almost concluded otherwise and almost stopped reading when I got to the first reference to Charlie because I did not know who Charlie is.

But then a few sentences later it became obvious that Charlie is Bella's father, and I read to the end of the chapter.

In summary, my feedback to you is that this particular reader would have benefitted from a replacing of the first occurance of "Charlie" with "My father, Charlie."

I want to know what happens next :)

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 13 July 2010 09:52:18AM 4 points [-]

In medias res this one. Start it in the middle of something interesting happening.

Comment author: Jonii 15 July 2010 05:48:27AM 2 points [-]

Is this fic understandable for those that don't know a thing about twilight?

Comment author: Alicorn 14 July 2010 07:18:21AM 5 points [-]

New chapter.

Vote this comment up if you would like a Luminosity fic discussion thread here on LW analogous to the HP:MOR one, and down if you would not.

Comment author: CronoDAS 13 July 2010 04:02:05PM 0 points [-]

Reviewed. (My fanfiction.net account is "Ronfar".)

Comment author: lsparrish 13 July 2010 02:25:46AM 3 points [-]

I like. Rhymes with sparkles.

Comment author: thomblake 13 July 2010 03:23:28PM 7 points [-]

I'm in favor of this obviously wrong use of 'rhyme'.

Comment author: Alicorn 13 July 2010 02:31:25AM 2 points [-]

Huh? "Luminosity" doesn't rhyme with "sparkles".

Comment author: CronoDAS 30 May 2010 07:36:42PM 0 points [-]

Have you ever read any of L.E. Modesitt's fiction?