Alicorn comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Alicorn 28 June 2010 07:48:43AM 9 points [-]

Snape still loves Lily and was upset about hearing her insulted, was my interpretation.

Comment author: Blueberry 28 June 2010 08:49:39AM 1 point [-]

Awww... but that puts Harry in an impossible position. There's nothing he could have said that would have worked. If he had said Lily made a good choice, that would have directly insulted Snape. And Snape must have known that Harry would be in an impossible position, so he must have wanted to trap Harry into thinking he had done something wrong.

Comment author: Alicorn 28 June 2010 05:55:32PM 10 points [-]

It's not quite impossible. He could have roundly blamed everything on James, casting Lily as a pure, victimized, agency-less casualty of his manipulations. That seems to be what Snape does.

Comment author: wedrifid 28 June 2010 06:05:36PM *  6 points [-]

Awww... but that puts Harry in an impossible position. There's nothing he could have said that would have worked. If he had said Lily made a good choice, that would have directly insulted Snape. And Snape must have known that Harry would be in an impossible position, so he must have wanted to trap Harry into thinking he had done something wrong.

It is possible to respond in a less direct way. Competent social skills would suggest putting very little actual content into his answer. I am less cunning than Harry and not known to be particularly conservative in my expression of potentially provocative positions but even so I do not think I would have all that much trouble responding with tact. Snape would still make a hostile reply but he does that to answers to potions problems anyway. He probably wouldn't be tempted to kill me.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 28 June 2010 01:02:38PM 5 points [-]

I don't know about you, but having someone tell me I should give up something I've been overfocused on for a long time can be quite painful.

Comment author: Thausler 28 June 2010 05:46:22PM 9 points [-]

Assuming Snape was genuinely hurt by Harry's interpretation of Lily, I would expect to see a fraying between Snape and the Dumbledore faction as Snape questions why he is so faithful to Lily.

Comment author: ShardPhoenix 01 July 2010 09:54:29AM *  6 points [-]

Yes, I suspect that was the point of that scene - to make things harder for Harry by taking away a (secret) ally. That would align with Eliezer's stated philosophy of fanfiction.

Comment author: Thausler 05 July 2010 04:35:20PM 8 points [-]

Furthermore, the major event in Aftermath 2 is that Snape reads students' minds again-something he agreed not to do under his agreement with Dumbledore. Which is further evidence that he has "gone rogue."

Comment author: red75 06 July 2010 02:39:38AM *  2 points [-]

Ch. 18

He will promise to only read minds when the safety of a student requires it.

In Aftermath 2 it seems reasonable that safety of Alissa requires reading her mind.

Edit: Thus, the change is that he directly addressed cause of her distraction.