TheOtherDave comments on Hacking the CEV for Fun and Profit - Less Wrong

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Comment author: TheOtherDave 19 February 2013 11:31:27PM 1 point [-]

Hm.
I infer you aren't asserting that going to one's grandmother's funeral rather than buying icecream is a moral terminal value for non-psychopaths, but rather that there's some moral terminal value implicit in that example which the psychopath in question demonstrably doesn't share but the rest of us do.
Is that right?
If so, can you say more about how you arrive at that conclusion?

Comment author: MugaSofer 20 February 2013 10:53:15AM -1 points [-]

Well, it was his example. The idea is that they can model our terminal values (as well as anybody else can) but they aren't moved by them. Just like I can imagine a paperclipper that would cheerfully render down humans for the iron in our blood, but I'm not especially inclined to emulate it.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 20 February 2013 02:13:23PM 0 points [-]

I still don't see how you get from observing someone describing not being moved by the same surface-level social obligations as their peers (e.g., attending grandma's funeral) to the conclusion that that person doesn't share the same moral terminal values as their peers, but leaving that aside, I agree that someone doesn't need to be moved by a value in order to model it.

Comment author: MugaSofer 21 February 2013 05:28:50PM -2 points [-]

Oh, it was only an example; he described his experience in much more detail. I guess he didn't want to use a more, well, disturbing example; he had been studying violent psychopaths, after all. (He also claimed his murderous predispositions had probably been curbed by a superlative home life.)