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That makes no sense in this context (as established by Nancy's first mention of sides and cousin_it's response.) The sides are "those who condemn (so as to discourage) the use of pickup" and "those who see nothing wrong with pickup". With those definitions of the sides, ones sex definitely does not determine which side one is on, but it does have an influence. And "winning" in this war takes the form of marshaling arguments that convince the soldiers of the other side to defect.
Forgive me, but this is the fallacy of the excluded middle (it's possible you do not ascribe to there being just two sides, but you are unclear on this point).
The "sides" as I see it also include, at the very least:
"those who condemn certain common practices of pickup that deliberately harm other people, but are fine with (or even encourage) other practices that are not"
You may be right... the reason I made my inferences explicit was precisely so that we can be clear about this stuff, rather than move forward as if we were talking about the same thing when we aren't.
That said, I was responding to the sentence: "The goal of pickup is to engineer the most desirable outcome for the user of pickup, not the most desirable outcome for the victim," which seemed to be what Nancy was responding to.