HughRistik comments on How to always have interesting conversations - Less Wrong

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Comment author: HughRistik 15 July 2010 12:02:39AM 1 point [-]

I think the idea of learning conversational social norms and so forth by practice/instruction is a very different issue to consciously using a decision procedure to dictate your conversation.

I'm not sure of this distinction. Why can't a conscious decision procedure be an element of instruction?

The former is genuinely learning conversation, the latter is trying to fake it.

Conscious decision procedures are a time-honored teaching tool in domains with similar features to social skills: music, sports, and dance. Look at musical or athletic exercises, and dance routines. Why does applying the same heuristics to learning social skills attract disdain?

I think we agree that beginners who are making most of their choices at a conscious level will often produce clunky results. The cause that I am making is that a lot of cognitive systemizing about social interaction can be a valid and productive learning tool to many people. Clunky results can be better than no results, and pave the way to learning how to socialize without so much conscious processing.

In many domains (e.g. music and dance), there is a time-tested process of consciously breaking down knowledge into component pieces, and teaching them to the student at a conscious level. Over time, the student stops needing to consciously attend to that knowledge, and it becomes encoded in intuitions and muscle-memory. See the four stages of competence:

  • unconscious incompetence
  • conscious incompetence
  • conscious competence
  • unconscious competence