xamdam comments on Defeating Ugh Fields In Practice - Less Wrong

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Comment author: wedrifid 22 June 2010 03:45:12PM *  5 points [-]

Good questions.

I'd like to point out that there seems to be some mental accounting here, which is to say that the possible harm of nicotine is easily justified by confining it to the health bucket - it's outweighed by the health benefits supposedly obtained.

I'll add that the primary reasons that I happen to have a supply of nicotine patches and lozenges are in the other benefits that it can supply if used carefully (and, in particular, with cycling). The biggest downsides to nicotine can be associated with the usual delivery mechanism. There are other downsides too, which are mostly those that come with stimulants (vasoconstriction, increased blood pressure). These are things that can be managed and balanced. There are positive studies on the effectiveness of nicotine in treating conditions like ADHD, with drastic improvements in focus and motivation. I do not swear by it but it is something I keep in my arsenal.

Would you be willing to go outside the health bucket and apply the same technique to paying bills (which incidentally is the ultimate Ugh field for most people)

Bills are not a problem for me. I get them, I click a few buttons on my computer and they are gone. I don't think nicotine (via this delivery mechanism) would be especially effective for bill paying unless you think of a way to form the process into a habit or ritual that nicotine can enhance the learning of. I suppose you could use the direct reinforcement mechanism if you delivered nicotine via gum or via an inhalant form.

or studying? I understand this is a personal choice of sorts, just curious about your thinking.

Absolutely. And I do use nicotine for studying at times (usually patches that I have cut into the desired dose). Partly for learning mental habits and partly for enhanced focus and motivation without the agitation that comes (with methamphetamine (at least, for me). Again, I don't swear by it but it works.

Comment author: xamdam 22 June 2010 05:16:29PM 1 point [-]

And I do use nicotine for studying at times (usually patches that I have cut into the desired dose).

Is the dosing based on experience or did you invest into some basic pharmacology studies? Also, what's your criteria for patch vs. lozenge?

Comment author: wedrifid 22 June 2010 05:43:51PM *  0 points [-]

Is the dosing based on experience or did you invest into some basic pharmacology studies?

Basic pharmacology studies, case studies from like minded individuals and personal experience. (If the dose is too great cut it into smaller pieces next time.)

Also, what's your criteria for patch vs. lozenge?

Do you want to do something specific that lasts 3-5 hours or do you want stable benefits to motivation and focus over a day? You can approximately consider total dose to be a limited resource, based on cycling to prevent dependency and reduced effects.