MatthewW comments on Rationality & Criminal Law: Some Questions - Less Wrong

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Comment author: MatthewW 20 June 2010 12:45:59PM 3 points [-]

The article is saying that you can't affect your sentence by showing skill at drunk driving, other than by using the (very indirect) evidence provided by showing that nobody died as a result.

I think it's a sound point, given that the question is about identical behaviour giving different sentences.

If you're told that two people have once driven over the limit, that A killed someone while B didn't, and nothing more, what's your level of credence that B is the more skilled drunk driver?

Comment author: cousin_it 20 June 2010 12:54:05PM *  4 points [-]

If you're told that two people have once driven over the limit, that A killed someone while B didn't, and nothing more, what's your level of credence that B is the more skilled drunk driver?

Pretty high, actually. Drunkenness is a red herring here. Let's put it another way: if you're told that A once killed someone accidentally while B didn't, what's your credence that B is better at friggin' not killing people accidentally? You seem to imply the credence should be low. Why on Earth? I say it's pretty high, because A has demonstrated a very low level of said skill.

Comment author: prase 21 June 2010 08:55:44AM *  4 points [-]

I am not sure. Let's say that each person has h(is/er) own "killing rate" R, which tells the probability of killing somebody accidentally during a year, and characterising how good is (s)he at not killing people. We have some distribution P(R) in the population, which should be taken as the prior distribution for any person. Now, given that the person has killed (K) this year (and never before), h(is/er) posterior distribution is clearly P(R|K)=P(R)P(K|R)/P(K), where P(K|R)=R by definition and P(K) is the probability to kill with any rate, which is integral of P(K|R)P(R)dR, and that equals to R0, the population average killing rate. For the actual person's posterior average we get R=(int R^2 P(R)dR)/R0, which is (V0+R0^2)/R0, where V0 is the variance of the prior distribution, so the change from the prior R0 is of order V0/R0.

Now, we can plug in some real data, which I can't supply, but the point is that how strong evidence an accidental killing presents isn't clear and depends strongly on the width of the distribution P(R). If all people were almost equally good at not killing accidentally, then the fact that a person has killed says almost nothing except (s)he, and more so the victim, had simply bad luck.

I have assumed that R are small and we can disregard multiple killings in a year and similar effects.

Edit: math corrected

Comment author: djcb 20 June 2010 01:36:45PM 1 point [-]

Well, I think your drunk-driving skill are only a factor to the extent that you're more likely not to get caught; but I doubt that if you had some kind of evidence of being an excellent drunk-driver, it would help you to get a lower sentence if you'd cause an accident anyhow.