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Comment author: bogdanb 26 June 2010 07:52:28PM 4 points [-]

Exactly my view.

A clarification: suppose Roko throws such a qGrenade (TM) at me, and I get $100. I will become angry and my attempt to inflict violence upon Roko. However, that is not because I’m sad about the 50% of parallel, untouchable universes where I’m dead. Instead, that is because Roko’s behavior is strong evidence that in the future he may do dangerous things; righteous anger now (and, perhaps, violence) is simply intended to reduce the measure of my current “futures” where Roko kills me.

On a slightly different note, worrying about my “parallel” copies (or even about their futures) seems to me quite akin to worrying about my past selves. I simply doesn’t mean anything. I really don’t care that my past self a year ago had a toothache — except in the limited sense that it’s slight evidence that I may be in the future predisposed to tooth aches. I do care about the probability of my future selves having aching teeth, because I may become them.

Like Sly, I don’t put much value in “versions” of me I can’t interact with. (The “much” is there because, of course, I don’t know with 100% certainty how the universe works, so I can’t be 100% sure what I can interact with.) But my “future selves” are in a kind of interaction with me: what I do influences which of those future selves I’ll become. The value assigned to them is akin to the value someone in free-fall assigns to the rigidity of the surface below them: they aren’t angry because (say) the pavement is hard, in itself; they are angry because it implies a squishy future for themselves. On the other hand, they really don’t care about the surface they’ve fallen from.

Comment author: wedrifid 30 June 2010 04:10:36PM 2 points [-]

On a slightly different note, worrying about my “parallel” copies (or even about their futures) seems to me quite akin to worrying about my past selves. I simply doesn’t mean anything. I really don’t care that my past self a year ago had a toothache — except in the limited sense that it’s slight evidence that I may be in the future predisposed to tooth aches. I do care about the probability of my future selves having aching teeth, because I may become them.

With this in mind it seems that you treat a qGrenade in exactly the same way you would treat a pseudo-random grenade. You don't care whether the probability was quantum or just 'unknown'. My reasoning may be very slightly different but in this regard we are in agreement.

Comment author: bogdanb 22 July 2010 03:24:29AM 2 points [-]

Yep. Grenades in MY past are always duds, otherwise I wouldn’t be here to talk about them. It doesn’t matter if they were fake, or malfunctioned, or had a pseudorandom or quantum probability to blow up. Past throwers of grenades are only relevant in the sense that they are evidence of future grenade-throwing.

Grenades in my future are those that I’m concerned about. With regards to people intending to throw grenades at me, the only distinction is how sure I am I’ll live; even something deterministic but hard to compute (for me) I consider a risk, and I’d be angry with the presumptive thrower.

(A fine point: I would be less angry to find out that someone who threw a grenade at me knew it wouldn’t blow, even if I didn’t know it at the time. I’d still be pissed, though.)

Comment author: wedrifid 31 July 2010 03:03:13AM 1 point [-]

Yep. Grenades in MY past are always duds, otherwise I wouldn’t be here to talk about them. It doesn’t matter if they were fake, or malfunctioned, or had a pseudorandom or quantum probability to blow up. Past throwers of grenades are only relevant in the sense that they are evidence of future grenade-throwing.

I would still kill them, even if I knew they were now completely reformed or impotent. If convenient, I'd beat them to death with a single box just to ram the point home.