Kyre comments on Rationality Quotes: July 2010 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Kyre 02 July 2010 04:45:24AM 10 points [-]

He who knows not and knows not that he knows not is a fool - shun him

He who knows not, and knows that he knows not is a child - teach him

He who knows, and knows not that he knows is asleep - wake him

He who knows, and knows that he knows is wise - follow him

  • Persian proverb
Comment author: [deleted] 03 July 2010 05:02:09PM 5 points [-]

I've always enjoyed three-fourths of this quote, but the first line still bothers me. If one knows not that they know not, should we not guide them so they at least know that they know not? Then we can teach them, possibly awake them, and finally have more wise people for others to follow.

Comment author: Kyre 05 July 2010 04:39:55AM 1 point [-]

Good point. I guess the extra effort and subtlety required to guide the obliviously ignorant makes it tempting to just walk away.

Also, the last line presupposes that the knowingly knowledgeable will be wise, which may not be the case if wisdom is taken to have a moral dimension. They could be rational but evil. (Gah - analysing proverbs ...)

Comment author: gwern 05 July 2010 04:45:00AM 6 points [-]

'The Master said, “I do not open the way for students who are not driven with eagerness; I do not supply a vocabulary for students who are not trying desperately to find the language for their ideas. If on showing students one corner they do not come back to me with the other three, I will not repeat myself.”'

--Analects 7.8

If you were in China and were confronted with the top <0.1% of >1 billion, would it be worthwhile to try to teach the ignorant who are ignorant even of being ignorant?