AlexM comments on Cryonics Wants To Be Big - Less Wrong

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Comment author: AlexM 12 July 2010 05:54:32PM 2 points [-]

I hear this from cryo skeptics all the time. Doubts -- not so much as to whether it >works or not, but as to whether the patients who could be revived are human or not.

No, the question is whether the advanced posthuman civilisation will see the frozen primitive men as human beings.

How many resources are we spending to save and improve lives of apes?

If cryonics works in the first place, it means everyone who could be preserved but >isn't, is a human casualty

The purpose of cryonics , at least as as advertised here, is to save specifically your life, not humanity in general. And, for the purpose, is simply better to be one of a few rare specimens than one in a mass.

and everyone who could be reanimated but isn't is stuck in a coma against their will.

why would they care about our will?

Death will then be viewed as something extremely uncommon and in need of >extremely good evidence before medical procedures and ethics can be cast aside.

death of one of them, yes, but one of us?

Comment author: RobinZ 12 July 2010 08:15:12PM 3 points [-]

How many resources are we spending to save and improve lives of apes?

How many resources are we spending to save and improve lives of the mentally retarded? My cursory research has over half a billion U.S. dollars in the United States in the year 2002.

Comment author: mattnewport 12 July 2010 08:57:40PM 3 points [-]

How many resources are we spending to save and improve lives of the mentally retarded? My cursory research has over half a billion U.S. dollars in the United States in the year 2002.

Surely the US spends more on healthcare than that?

Comment author: RobinZ 12 July 2010 09:09:19PM 0 points [-]

About a thousand times more by the government on health care, yes. This is just the estimates I found of governmental spending on people with mental retardation.

Comment author: mattnewport 12 July 2010 09:52:32PM 0 points [-]

Too subtle.

Comment author: RobinZ 12 July 2010 10:07:49PM 1 point [-]

I thought I was quite explicit. AlexM implied that future posthumans would not be interested in reviving comparatively moronic predecessors by suggesting their attitude towards these would be akin to our attitude towards apes. I suggested that the more appropriate analogy would be to human beings with developmental disabilities, for whom substantial sums of public money are spent. What's overly subtle about that?

Comment author: mattnewport 12 July 2010 10:11:35PM 3 points [-]

I meant I was too subtle. It was a joke. Apparently a failed one.

Comment author: RobinZ 12 July 2010 10:13:59PM 3 points [-]

Oh, yeah. That is clever. Probably would have worked better in person.