Kaj_Sotala comments on A Taxonomy of Bias: Mindware Problems - Less Wrong

14 Post author: Kaj_Sotala 07 July 2010 09:53PM

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Comment author: Kaj_Sotala 07 July 2010 10:20:29PM *  1 point [-]

I'm not sure I completely see the difference between memes and mindware.

For the purposes of this discussion, pretty much the same thing. I added a note to the post clarifying this.

Comment author: fiddlemath 07 July 2010 10:31:28PM *  5 points [-]

To be super-specific: memes are a kind of mindware. Though they're practically synonymous, a piece of mindware that you cannot or do not replicate is not a meme. A secret belief that you actually keep secret, say, would be mindware but not a meme.

That said, the whole point of memetics is that ideas survive to the extent that they replicate well; so we should expect non-memetic mindware to be rare.

Comment author: jmmcd 08 July 2010 12:33:53PM 1 point [-]

Doesn't that seem like a weakness in the definition of memes? After all, a gene that does not replicate (eg arising through mutation and causing the organism to be non-viable) is still a gene.

Comment author: RolfAndreassen 08 July 2010 01:22:59PM 3 points [-]

It is more a question of the emphasis of analysis. If you speak of a meme, you are thinking of its replicative power; if you speak of mindware, you are thinking about its effect on the possessor's thoughts; but either way it is the same concept. To draw the analogy with genes, it is as though the word 'protein-builder' had been coined for the purpose of speaking of a gene's effect on the body, and we retained the word 'gene' for use when discussing allele frequencies.