Vladimir_Nesov comments on Open Thread: July 2010, Part 2 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 09 July 2010 01:48:30PM 11 points [-]

Geoff Greer published a post on how he got convinced to sign up for cryonics: Insert Frozen Food Joke Here.

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Comment author: JoshuaZ 09 July 2010 11:36:58PM 2 points [-]

I know those issues had been discussed already, but how could one react in a five minute coffee-break, when the co-worker responds (standard phrases to go): "But death gives meaning to live. And if nobody died, there would be too many people around here. Only the rich ones could get the benefits. And ultimately, whatever end the universe takes, we will all die, you know science, don't ya?

If they think that we'll all eventually die even with cryonics and they think that death gives meaning to life then they don't need to worry about cryonics removing meaning since it is just pushing the amount of time until death up. (I wouldn't bother addressing the death giving meaning to life claim except to note that it seems to be a much more common meme among people who haven't actually lost loved ones.)

As to the problem of too many people, overpopulation is a massive problem whether or not a few people get cryonicly preserved.

As to the problem of just the rich getting the benefits, patiently explain that there's no reason to think that the rich now will be treated substantially different from the less rich who sign up for cryonics. And if society ever has the technology to easily revive people from cryonic suspension then the likely standard of living will be so high compared to now that even if the rich have more it won't matter.

Comment author: Blueberry 09 July 2010 08:50:47PM 2 points [-]

It does not help to not being signed up for cryonics oneself.

I talk about it as something I'm thinking about, and ask what they think. That way, it's not you trying to persuade someone, it's just a conversation.

"But death gives meaning to live. And if nobody died, there would be too many people around here. Only the rich ones could get the benefits. And ultimately, whatever end the universe takes, we will all die, you know science, don't ya?"

"Yeah, we'll all die eventually, but this is just a way of curing aging, just like trying to find a cure for heart disease or cancer. All those things are true of any medical treatment, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't save lives."

Comment author: Larks 09 July 2010 10:29:23PM 1 point [-]

"Yeah, we'll all die eventually, but this is just a way of curing aging, just like trying to find a cure for heart disease or cancer. All those things are true of any medical treatment, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't save lives.

... "and like any medical treatment, initially only the rich will benefit, but they'll help bring down the price for everyone else. Infact, for just a small weakly payment..."

Comment author: AngryParsley 11 July 2010 10:18:11AM *  0 points [-]

This is off-topic but I'm curious: How did you stumble on my blog?

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 11 July 2010 10:31:07AM *  1 point [-]

Google alert on "Eliezer Yudkowsky". (Usually brings up articles about Friendly AI, SIAI and Less Wrong.)