prase comments on A Rational Identity - Less Wrong

31 Post author: Kaj_Sotala 12 July 2010 10:59PM

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Comment author: Vladimir_M 13 July 2010 07:31:26AM *  15 points [-]

Kaj_Sotala:

It seems to me that if we want to actually raise the sanity waterline and make people evaluate things critically, and not just conform to different groups than is the norm, a crucial part of that is getting people to adopt an identity of critical thinking. This way, the concept of identity ceases to be something that makes rational thinking harder and starts to actively aid it.

I don't think that could ever work. Just look at the present situation. A great many people nowadays feel that "critical thinking," "open-mindedness," "questioning authority," etc. are important parts of their identity, and will take offense if you suggest otherwise. The modern culture strongly encourages such attitudes. Yet, in practice, this nearly always results in cargo-cult "critical thinking" where one is merely supposed to display the correct shibboleths, accept the prevailing respectable beliefs, and avoid like plague any actual critical thinking about the truly sacrosanct taboos, values, and moral and intellectual authorities.

The old "We are all individuals!" sketch comes to mind.

Comment author: prase 13 July 2010 06:46:13PM 8 points [-]

Yes, it is true that the people who most speak about questioning authorities, independent thinking and open-mindedness are conspiracy theorists and other crackpots.

On the other hand, I suspect the reason for that is partly that we are taught that it is good to think critically, while nobody actually explains how to think critically. For example, "question authority!" is a pretty poor advice when not explained in greater detail, and this is how we usually get it. No wonder a lot of people interpret it as an endorsement for indiscriminate questioning, which may be translated as "believe whatever you want".

I suspect that if biases and rational thinking were taught in schools, probably less people would describe themselves as "rational", but a lot of people would be far better thinkers than they are today.