mattnewport comments on Some Thoughts Are Too Dangerous For Brains to Think - Less Wrong

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Comment author: mattnewport 13 July 2010 09:40:43PM 4 points [-]

Was the argument being made just obviously wrong?

This, primarily. At least obviously wrong by my value system where believing true things is a core value. To the extent that this is also the value system of less wrong as a whole it seems contrary to the core values of the site without acknowledging the conflict explicitly enough.

I didn't think the examples were very good either. I think the argument is wrong even for value systems that place a lower value on truth than mine and the examples aren't enough to persuade me otherwise.

I also found the (presumably) joke about hunting down and killing anyone who disagrees with you jarring and in rather poor taste. I'm generally in favour of tasteless and offensive jokes but this one just didn't work for me.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 13 July 2010 09:43:10PM *  4 points [-]

At least obviously wrong by my value system where believing true things is a core value.

Beware identity. It seems that a hero shouldn't kill, ever, but sometimes it's the right thing to do. Unless it's your sole value, there will be situations where it should give way.

Comment author: mattnewport 13 July 2010 09:58:52PM 0 points [-]

Unless it's your sole value, there will be situations where it should give way.

This seems like it should generally be true but in practice I haven't encountered any plausible examples where I prefer ignorance. This includes a number of hypotheticals where many people claim they would prefer ignorance which leads me to believe the value I place on truth is outside the norm.

Truth / knowledge is a little paradoxical in this sense as well. I believe that killing is generally wrong but there is no paradox in killing in certain situations because it appears to be the right choice. The feedback effect of truth on your decision making / value defining apparatus makes it unlike other core values that might sometimes be abandoned.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 13 July 2010 10:01:07PM 0 points [-]

This seems like it should generally be true but in practice I haven't encountered any plausible examples where I prefer ignorance. This includes a number of hypotheticals where many people claim they would prefer ignorance which leads me to believe the value I place on truth is outside the norm.

I agree with this, my objection is to the particular argument you used, not necessarily the implied conclusion.