Vladimir_Nesov comments on The Instrumental Value of Your Own Time - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Will_Newsome 14 July 2010 12:57:39PM 6 points [-]

Whenever I start thinking about very unlikely hypothetical situations -- often self-glorifying to an extemely embarrassing extent -- I try to think about abstract/qualitative decision theory problems instead: things that I'm very unlikely to make any useful progress on, but are about as likely as the crazy hypothetical situation I was dreaming up before, and with much much much higher expected utility. I like thinking about such problems, too; the only reason I normally don't is because it's become so habitual throughout my life to be incredibly narcissistic. When I consciously think about e.g. game theory for superintelligence, I find the time spent much more rewarding. This has gotten to the point where I might be at a friend's house chilling by the pool and, instead of feeling bored or whatever, I'll close my eyes and remember interesting problems I've encountered and try to solve them. I'm not sure, but I think that if more really smart people picked up this habit then there would be an appreciable growth in scientific output.

More directly to the point, I think that very small hacks like the above would allow one to approach MTP towards their true goals than a very thorough analysis of exploration/exploitation in one's daily life.

I liked this post.

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Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 14 July 2010 03:21:44PM 2 points [-]

If you are serious about researching FAI, and see it as more than an idle hobby, you should put more emphasis on study of existing math, e.g. learn logic and recursion theory to graduate level.

Comment author: Will_Newsome 14 July 2010 04:36:13PM 1 point [-]

Those are not my strengths. We have a lot of really smart people working from that approach already; and they're probably going to be a lot more useful than I ever will be or would be. But I feel a lot more comfortable playing around with concepts like timeless trade than recursion theory: probably because my weaknesses are less apparent there, but still.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 14 July 2010 06:22:23PM *  1 point [-]

We have a lot of really smart people working from that approach already

We do? Like who? There are qualified people who don't work on the problem, and also a few unqualified people who do. Maybe six people I know of who are both qualified and possibly do useful work on the problem.

But I feel a lot more comfortable playing around with concepts like timeless trade than recursion theory: probably because my weaknesses are less apparent there, but still.

It's a matter of improving your sanity when thinking about conceptually difficult questions, not of narrow skill or "approach" (which is a weasel word, like "in my opinion", trying to lift responsibility). Anybody smart can study.

Comment author: Will_Newsome 15 July 2010 10:30:35AM 1 point [-]

It's a matter of improving your sanity when thinking about conceptually difficult questions

That's an important point. That is the main reason why I will learn learn math and computer science. Also I'd like to have a better idea of what's special about ADT. ;)