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Comment author: Will_Newsome 14 July 2010 12:57:39PM 6 points [-]

Whenever I start thinking about very unlikely hypothetical situations -- often self-glorifying to an extemely embarrassing extent -- I try to think about abstract/qualitative decision theory problems instead: things that I'm very unlikely to make any useful progress on, but are about as likely as the crazy hypothetical situation I was dreaming up before, and with much much much higher expected utility. I like thinking about such problems, too; the only reason I normally don't is because it's become so habitual throughout my life to be incredibly narcissistic. When I consciously think about e.g. game theory for superintelligence, I find the time spent much more rewarding. This has gotten to the point where I might be at a friend's house chilling by the pool and, instead of feeling bored or whatever, I'll close my eyes and remember interesting problems I've encountered and try to solve them. I'm not sure, but I think that if more really smart people picked up this habit then there would be an appreciable growth in scientific output.

More directly to the point, I think that very small hacks like the above would allow one to approach MTP towards their true goals than a very thorough analysis of exploration/exploitation in one's daily life.

I liked this post.

(No spellcheck used for this comment, I sincerely apologize for any errors.)

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 15 July 2010 12:09:37AM 3 points [-]

This reminds me of a bad habit I was able to drop pretty thoroughly almost as soon as I realized what I was doing (which took some decades). I would imagine things to be annoyed at-- what if someone said some infuriating thing, then what would my reaction be? I didn't some up with a substitute thing to think about, but I believe that just dropping that one (or cutting it off fast if it starts) has improved my quality of life somewhat.

Admittedly, that's low-hanging fruit, but just identifying and getting rid of the activities which give you nothing is a start.

And I'll put in a nice word for Sock Pro-- toothed plastic rings which mean you'll never need to sort your socks again, link from Kool Tools, the online descendant of the Whole Earth Catalog.

Here's a hard question: How do you evaluate the value of trying new things?

Comment author: Will_Newsome 15 July 2010 10:35:28AM *  3 points [-]

Once when I was with Marcello he went to Costco and bought a rather large amount of brand new socks -- all the same type, so that he didn't have to worry about mixing and matching. This made my impression of his instrumental rationality go up. (I'm sure a lot of people have different socks for different purposes, but it's something that I probably would have failed to optimize.)

Added: Thanks for linking to Kool Tools! I might travel the country for a year or two while trying to be as light as possible, and that site had a few items that seem like they would be pretty useful.

Comment author: ciphergoth 15 July 2010 12:27:01PM 1 point [-]

I am still mostly wearing socks from the massive online bulk order of identical boot socks I made four or five years ago..

Comment author: jsalvatier 22 July 2010 05:32:23AM 0 points [-]

I do this too, and my brother and I have communal socks. I hadn't thought of ordering online. Good idea.

Comment author: RichardKennaway 15 July 2010 03:18:46PM 0 points [-]

I do this as well. Clearly this calls for a poll! How many of us avoid sock-sorting by buying bulk quantities of identical socks? (Or the alternative solution.)

Comment author: Unknowns 15 July 2010 03:24:32PM 1 point [-]

I avoid sock-sorting by not buying or wearing socks, which is still more efficient.

Comment author: gwern 10 October 2010 12:52:57AM 0 points [-]

I do this!

Comment author: wedrifid 09 October 2010 10:33:52PM 0 points [-]

Once when I was with Marcello he went to Costco and bought a rather large amount of brand new socks -- all the same type, so that he didn't have to worry about mixing and matching.

It's a practical move. Myself I have three roughly equal collections of socks - identical black ones, identical sports ones and assorted others (mostly either gifts or particularly high quality pairs that I use for marathons and long runs in general).