FAWS comments on (One reason) why capitalism is much maligned - Less Wrong

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Comment author: FAWS 19 July 2010 04:27:56PM 0 points [-]

I read "not clear that X has positive expected value" as something like "I'm not sure an observer with perfect knowledge of all relevant information, but not of future outcomes would assign X a positive expected value."

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Comment author: FAWS 19 July 2010 05:04:12PM 0 points [-]

To clarify: No knowledge of things like the state of individual electrons or photons, and therefore no knowledge of future "random" (chaos theory) outcomes. This was one of the possible objections I had considered, but decided against addressing in advance, turns out I should have.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 19 July 2010 05:06:55PM 0 points [-]

Logical uncertainty is also something you must fight on your own. Like you can't know what's actually in the world, if you haven't seen it, you can't know what logically follows from what you know, if you didn't perform the computation.

Comment author: FAWS 19 July 2010 05:16:34PM 0 points [-]

And that was the other possible objection I had thought of!

I had meant to include that sort of thing in "relevant knowledge", but couldn't think of any good way to phase it in the 5 seconds I thought about it. I wasn't trying to make any important argument, it was just a throwaway comment.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 19 July 2010 05:23:33PM *  0 points [-]

And that was the other possible objection I had thought of!

I don't understand what this refers to. (Objection to what? What objection? In what context did you think of it?)

Comment author: FAWS 19 July 2010 06:20:25PM *  0 points [-]

I commented on the objection that being unsure whether the expected value of something is positive conflicts with the definition of expected value with:

I read "not clear that X has positive expected value" as something like "I'm not sure an observer with perfect knowledge of all relevant information, but not of future outcomes would assign X a positive expected value."

When writing this I thought of two possible objections/comments/requests for clarification/whatever:

  1. That perfect knowledge implies knowledge of future outcomes.

  2. Your logical uncertainty point (though I had no good way to phrase this).

I briefly considered addressing them in advance, but decided against it. Both whatevers were made in fairly rapid succession (though yours apparently not with that comment in mind?), so I definitely should have.

There is no way that short throwaway comment deserved a seven post comment thread.