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Comment author: bogus 23 July 2010 11:52:31AM *  0 points [-]

Light is simple, but evolved organisms care very little about the fundamental qualities of light. They care a lot about running efficient computations using various inputs, including the excitation of photosensitive neurons. This is probably why the Cartesian theather feels very much like computation on high-level inputs and outputs, rather than objectively fundamental things such as wavelengths of light. And the computations which transform low-level data like excitation of sensory neurons into high-level inputs are probably unconscious because they are qualitatively different from conscious computation.

Comment author: RobinZ 23 July 2010 03:40:35PM 1 point [-]

I would expect optimization for efficiency to be something evolution does - but I am compelled to note that I mentioned "the Cartesian theater" as a reference to Daniel Dennett's Consciousness Explained, where he strenuously refuted the idea of the Cartesian theater. By Dennett's argument - and even when Consciousness Explained came out, he had a lot of research data to work from - the collocation of all sensory data in a single channel to run past some homunculus recording our conscious experience is unlikely. After all, there already is a data-processing entity right there to collect all the sensory data - that's the entire brain. So within the brain, it should not be surprising that different conscious experiences are saved to memory from different parts. Particularly since the brain is patently a parallel computer anyway.

Comment author: bogus 23 July 2010 06:37:00PM *  0 points [-]

Daniel Dennett's "refutation" of the Cartesian theater has been widely criticized. Basically, he relies on perceptual illusions such as discrete motion being perceived as continuous, arguing that there should be a fact of the matter as to whether "the motion in the Cartesian theater" is continuous or not. But phenomenology is far simpler (or more complicated) than that: the fact that we perceive the quale of continuous_motion does not imply that a homunculous somewhere is seeing the object in an intermediate position at each given moment in time. It is a strawman argument.

Comment author: RobinZ 23 July 2010 07:00:41PM 0 points [-]

Before I respond: are we actually getting anywhere in this discussion? I have this sinking feeling that I'm asking the wrong questions.