Vladimir_Nesov comments on Epistemic Viciousness - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 01 January 2011 05:35:54PM 0 points [-]

Nope, maybe funny but incorrect. Even if I'm insane, I don't desire being insane.

Comment author: orthonormal 01 January 2011 07:37:01PM *  2 points [-]

Note that the timestamp was about 3 AM on New Year's for me; I'm glad I didn't post anything sillier given the circumstances.

Also, the hypothetical lunatic doesn't desire to believe ze's insane, just that marble tomato cheese brain. Ze isn't capable of making that further inference.

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 02 January 2011 02:07:20AM 2 points [-]

Also, the hypothetical lunatic doesn't desire to believe ze's insane, [...]

Maybe actually not, but ze should, hence the litany.

Comment author: orthonormal 02 January 2011 02:32:48AM 1 point [-]

The reason the litany helps people in general is that we really do want, upon reflection, to believe true things rather than false ones. I'm not sure that holds for lunatics.

I'm also tapping out, unless this conversation takes a more comical turn again.

Comment author: Luke_A_Somers 25 March 2013 02:08:03AM 0 points [-]

He doesn't desire being insane, but he does desire to believe that marble tomato cheese brain.

The tomato was a verb and cheese was a preposition, btw.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 09 December 2013 03:23:23PM 3 points [-]

I love the fact that my brain is perfectly happy to treat "marble tomato cheese brain" as falling into the "subject-verb-preposition-object" pattern, but insists that it should be either "marbles" or "tomatoes".