Airedale comments on Forager Anthropology - Less Wrong

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Comment author: rhollerith_dot_com 29 July 2010 07:40:08PM 4 points [-]

I disagree that posts from WrongBot, or others with similar failings in reasoning . . . pose a serious risk to LessWrong as a community.

How much experience have you had watching the trajectory of online communities?

Have you for example informed yourself of the case of Reddit (the original one) which is particularly relevant to this community in that the software is so similar?

I have not, but Paul Graham has (since he was an investor in Reddit) and he has stated many times that he believes that his community, Hacker News, is in constant danger of falling prey to the dynamic that rendered Reddit worthless to thoughtful busy people, and he has taken many different measures, including banning a user relatively frequently, denying new users the right to cast downvotes -- or any votes at all if their karma is low enough -- and disappearing the "reply" link on certain posts based on an algorithm.

Comment author: Airedale 29 July 2010 08:08:29PM *  4 points [-]

How much experience have you had watching the trajectory of online communities?

Have you for example informed yourself of the case of Reddit (the original one) which is particularly relevant to this community in that the software is so similar?

I have not studied this with any rigor, although I have seen communities that I previously enjoyed enter periods of decline (sometimes recovering at a later point, sometimes not). I don't disagree that with online communities, there is often some tipping point when the bad reasoning/noise outweighs the good. That's why I also made this part of my comment:

From my perspective, I don't think we’ve reached the point where LW is so crowded with posts that good ideas and posts are being crowded out by bad ones.

Perhaps I'm wrong about this. At any rate, if LW is actually in a serious period of decline, the problem is more serious than just WrongBot, and I disagree with implementing a solution where individual posters take it upon themselves to ask other posters to leave. (If EY wants to create some sort of system like Paul Graham's or make new moderators with these sorts powers, that would be different in my view than this sort of ad hoc approach, which doesn't seem likely to work (due to both its ad hoc nature and unenforceability) and also presents greater risks of abuse, decisions based on personality conflict, etc.)

Comment author: rhollerith_dot_com 29 July 2010 09:09:19PM *  5 points [-]

if LW is actually in a serious period of decline, the problem is more serious than just WrongBot

Agreed. In particular, LW has successfully weathered long flurries of comments and posts by people worse than WrongBot.

The primary sign that LW is in danger of becoming the kind of place that I and those I admire no longer want to visit is the (negative) magnitude of the score on comments asking WrongBot to stop writing on things beyond his skill and the (positive) magnitude of the scores of WrongBot's replies to those (negatively scored) comments. That is new.

Comment author: rhollerith_dot_com 29 July 2010 09:15:51PM 5 points [-]

Note that the vast majority of readers of LW never attempt to create evolutionary arguments relevant to human behavior or summarize novel arguments made by others. I would hope that that is because they realize that it is too difficult for them.