MichaelVassar comments on Metaphilosophical Mysteries - Less Wrong

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Comment author: JoshuaZ 27 July 2010 02:22:41AM 6 points [-]

I'm not at all convinced that philosophy has been very successful. Indeed, the fact that there's nothing resembling a consensus among professional philosophers about almost anything you've described as achievements speaks pretty negatively to the success of philosophy. This contrasts strongly with the issue of mathematics where it seems that math has been deeply helpful for many different areas. For many branches of learning, the key to success has been to mathematicize the areas. In contrast, the more rigorous and reliable an area becomes generally the less it resembles what we generally call philosophy.

Comment author: MichaelVassar 27 July 2010 05:05:45PM 8 points [-]

I would just say that most professional 'philosophers' aren't doing 'philosophy' as I mean the term. Ditto professional 'scientists' and 'science'. Robin's data suggests that most MDs are incompetent. Mounds of data suggests the same of most financial professionals. Why not generalize?

I look at the history of philosophy, not at professional philosophers, if I want to find competent philosophy.

Comment author: SilasBarta 27 July 2010 05:50:11PM *  1 point [-]

Also, does the "professional philosopher community" have reality-grounded standards for what constitutes "good philosophy"? And could they say what the consequences would be of making such errors (relative to the current body of knowledge)?

Because without that, then being rejected by mainstream academic philosophy is no more worrisome than if you were criticized for not being up-to-date with the top theology, or not knowing which writers were truly "post-colonial".

From some authors, I get the impression that their standard is no more rigorous than, "what all my buddies in major philosophy departments agree with".