saturn comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 2 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: saturn 02 August 2010 05:41:48AM 0 points [-]

Only if you try to act honorably to the honorable and dishonorably to the dishonorable do you have something like TDT.

Comment author: Alicorn 02 August 2010 06:14:33AM 2 points [-]

And you must do this in a way that makes you appear honorable to others who use the same algorithm.

Comment author: orthonormal 03 August 2010 05:00:39AM 1 point [-]

Reputation effects are one way to change the payoffs so it's no longer a Prisoner's Dilemma. But if this particular interaction is more important than the reputation effects, TDT still defects against an honorable paperclipper who isn't TDT or higher.

Comment author: saturn 03 August 2010 09:23:53AM 2 points [-]

TDT says: I cooperate iff (you will cooperate iff I cooperate).

Honorable says: I cooperate iff you will cooperate.

It seems to me that, although Honorable is suboptimal if it meets an unconditional cooperator, TDT will cooperate with it because it meets the condition that TDT cares about.

Comment author: orthonormal 05 August 2010 10:13:37PM *  0 points [-]

On reflection, your conclusion is obviously right: playing PD against Honorbot is simply playing Newcomb's Dilemma, so TDT cooperates.

I was misled by the recent realization that TDT doesn't actually work out to "I cooperate iff (you will cooperate iff I cooperate)".