Randaly comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 2 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: gwern 02 August 2010 03:15:37PM 6 points [-]

The big speech by Quirrel troubles me.

I thought we had Word of God that Quirrel was in some way Voldemort (Quirrelmort), and that we should've become certain of that early on (especially with the Voyager horcrux implied).

But the speech doesn't make sense for me. If Voldemort was so close to winning, if it took a freak Black Swan to defeat him and his followers, if magical England is still utterly incompetent, if many of his followers are still at large (as we know from canon they are), if...

Given this situation, why doesn't Voldemort just start over? The plan worked perfectly the first time; why not just do it again, and put a little poison in Harry's drink or something? There are a bazillion ways Harry could be killed, as Harry himself demonstrates in the killer-instinct lesson. The magical protection he has is very weak indeed.

If a magical England all bearing a 'Light Mark' would be so unstoppable and take over the magical world, and by implication then can take over the mundane world, why doesn't Voldemort just take over magical England the way he planned to, and then impose the Light/Dark Mark on everyone?

Why is he instead apparently doing his damndest to prevent anyone from succeeding the way 'he' almost did, and apparently pushing Draco or Harry to become benevolent dictators?

I don't understand it at all. I can't reconcile Voldemort's past with Quirrel's past with Voldemort's past goals with Quirrel's future goals and so on. I am, as the LW phrase goes, confused.

Comment author: Randaly 09 August 2010 06:23:34AM 2 points [-]

My memory of the books isn't perfect- but wasn't Voldemort's main goal immortality, not conquest?

If so, then Voldemort could be trying to manipulate Harry into merging science and magic to create a means of immortality, before he takes over. This would also fit with author tract nature of the story- it would give him a chance to reference transhumanism, SENS, or cryonics.

Comment author: gwern 09 August 2010 06:35:37AM 0 points [-]

but wasn't Voldemort's main goal immortality, not conquest?

Well, it certainly is said a lot. I don't see how conquest was the best route to immortality, but there are a lot of problems in the HPverse like that.