Oscar_Cunningham comments on Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality discussion thread, part 2 - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Oscar_Cunningham 26 August 2010 05:55:58PM *  3 points [-]

Hermione was juiced on feather-fall and would fall gracefully down. The main reason wizards wouldn't jump down from heights with feather-fall is because it would be too boring. It gets interesting when you don't have feather fall and risk crashing to the ground because a beater knocked you unconscious.

Yes, but using feather-fall costs her Quirrell points! That's why she's upset. Or at least, that's one hypothesis that explain the facts. Harry's apology is unnecessary grovelly otherwise.

Comment author: NihilCredo 28 August 2010 06:39:19PM 1 point [-]

Yes, but using feather-fall costs her Quirrell points!

It's a great point and should get mentioned in the text. Even if it's only a minor reason for Hermione's annoyance, it would tie in nicely with the earlier scene of Hermione having trouble knocking on Quirrell's door.

Comment author: wedrifid 27 August 2010 09:14:51AM 1 point [-]

Yes, but using feather-fall costs her Quirrell points!

Excellent. That is the desirable outcome. If enemies unite against you should sabotage their Quirrell points wherever convenient.

"So Granger, how about next time you want something from me you ask nicely for me to participate before you unite with Malfoy?"

Comment author: Pavitra 28 August 2010 10:05:39PM 0 points [-]

They tried that, didn't they? All three generals went to Quirrell together to ask for no more traitors. Harry defected.

Comment author: lmnop 26 August 2010 10:16:10PM 1 point [-]

Eh, even if Quirrel points were the problem, Harry's apology is still unnecessarily grovelly.

Comment author: wedrifid 27 August 2010 09:26:52AM 0 points [-]

Eh, even if Quirrel points were the problem, Harry's apology is still unnecessarily grovelly.

I would go as far as to say the grovelling is worse if the Quirrell points were the problem.

  • If the falling from the building was what Harry was worried about then that would just suggest that Harry is terrible at risk assessment and lacks mature boundaries (ie. considers Draco dropping Hermione at her command after both enemies chose to got out on the ledge his responsibility not hers). But once those errors in reasoning are accepted then some serious remorse would seem called for. The main problem with the apology would be that emphasised begging for approval above expressing sincere remorse.
  • If the only issue was Quirrell points then even devoid of the approval seeking the level of remorse would be absurd.
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